RE: Nature comes first
February 19, 2019 at 12:07 am
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2019 at 12:14 am by Lek.)
(February 19, 2019 at 12:01 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: How desperate of a believer do you have to be to cling to "what was before the universe was created" in order to "prove" your God? People that wrote the Bible (or any holy book) believed that supernatural beings were all around them: that they possess humans and cause illnesses, Paul believed he was seeing beings and people walking on clouds with heaven being divided in layers and Jesus was described as someone who had a popular belief of the time that the demons lived in the desert (Matthew 12:43) and therefore he went there to find the devil.
And now it's all about because people don't know yet for sure what happened before existence of the universe. Humans are not going to know everything, so will the theists just demand every time there is a gap in the knowledge that that is their God?
I'm asking reasonable and pertinent questions. Will you consider them or just pass them off because of your beliefs?
(February 19, 2019 at 12:06 am)bennyboy Wrote: I'm not making that argument. I'm saying that there's knowing, not-knowing, and pretending-to-know. We don't know how existence came into being, or if it ever did. It's a paradox that if thought about too much will make any intelligent person shit their pants in philosophical terror.
Saying God made the Universe is pretty unsatisfying, because what made God?
Saying nature came first is pretty unsatisfying, because then what made nature?
Saying nothing came "first" and the question is broken because everything has always existed-- well that's just a mindfuck.
The only acceptable answer to the question of existence is-- I don't know. Nobody knows. Pass the peanuts.
Fair enough.
