(February 19, 2019 at 12:07 am)Lek Wrote:(February 19, 2019 at 12:01 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: How desperate of a believer do you have to be to cling to "what was before the universe was created" in order to "prove" your God? People that wrote the Bible (or any holy book) believed that supernatural beings were all around them: that they possess humans and cause illnesses, Paul believed he was seeing beings and people walking on clouds with heaven being divided in layers and Jesus was described as someone who had a popular belief of the time that the demons lived in the desert (Matthew 12:43) and therefore he went there to find the devil.
And now it's all about because people don't know yet for sure what happened before existence of the universe. Humans are not going to know everything, so will the theists just demand every time there is a gap in the knowledge that that is their God?
I'm asking reasonable and pertinent questions. Will you consider them or just pass them off because of your beliefs?
Wow so it's my "beliefs" now.
People gave you the answer: there's absolutely nothing to justify crediting a god for the existence of the universe. Some mysteries of the universe may never be solved. But this is ignorance, not evidence.
And also by clinging to supernatural explanations to unknown things makes it so much difficult for progress of science because supernatural explanation become someone's religion and dogma, and they find it insulting when someone makes a naturalistic explanation and proceed with torture and terrorist attacks, boycott schools because what may seem like magic or a god today often becomes an elementary school science lesson tomorrow.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
