RE: I love AOC part 2
February 23, 2019 at 3:22 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2019 at 3:36 pm by bennyboy.)
@Yonadev
I reckon if you're paying people who are able to work, you might as well provide some value for the state which is supporting you. If welfare is unconditional, then make it a job program instead of a tax credit: $600 / month state-guaranteed working hours cleaning streets, restoring roads and bridges, building green projects, and so on.
That being said, I'm not actually against the idea of providing for all without regard to willingness to work, as you describe it. I'm not bothered by socialist ideas so much, but my immediate sense in this case is that the instinct to spin political narratives is there.
I would have liked them to not start pretending they were thinking about pre-pensioners or whatever. "Those words were a mistake, and they've already been edited" should be the end of it.
Keeping in mind that I made this thread because I like AOC a lot, I hope you'll exclude me from that category.
Apparently, her website said "unable or unwilling to work," and I wouldn't stand by the unwilling part. That's as much as I know and have said.
This thing about it being misquoted, or it being about pensioners or people too old to start new career paths-- well, that does sound like political spin.
It's not a big deal-- as you say, I don't think there's anything like that in the action resolution.
I reckon if you're paying people who are able to work, you might as well provide some value for the state which is supporting you. If welfare is unconditional, then make it a job program instead of a tax credit: $600 / month state-guaranteed working hours cleaning streets, restoring roads and bridges, building green projects, and so on.
That being said, I'm not actually against the idea of providing for all without regard to willingness to work, as you describe it. I'm not bothered by socialist ideas so much, but my immediate sense in this case is that the instinct to spin political narratives is there.
I would have liked them to not start pretending they were thinking about pre-pensioners or whatever. "Those words were a mistake, and they've already been edited" should be the end of it.
(February 23, 2019 at 1:28 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There's nothing in the resolution about doling out welfare to lazy takers. Even if somebody was for it, it would be a poison pill. It's "the same old politics" for good reason. There's no obvious way to object to the resolution without imagining an entire regime not -in- the resolution. We're already playing wingnut bingo in this thread.
Keeping in mind that I made this thread because I like AOC a lot, I hope you'll exclude me from that category.
Apparently, her website said "unable or unwilling to work," and I wouldn't stand by the unwilling part. That's as much as I know and have said.
This thing about it being misquoted, or it being about pensioners or people too old to start new career paths-- well, that does sound like political spin.
It's not a big deal-- as you say, I don't think there's anything like that in the action resolution.
