Why I don't believe in 'free will'

[Edwardo Piet]

Why would I? I don't believe that free will is some 'big illusion' and that I also like you having no evidence FOR it - I also have no evidence 'of the illusion'...

Whoa!! Hold the phone..

Let me get this straight.

You have been arguing all this time that you don't believe that free will actually exists which is a definate point of view.

But, on the other hand...

You also don't believe that free will is an illusion either.

Not to me either. To me it's a DELUSION.

Just as God is not an illusion to ME - only those who actually believe it. To THEM it seems real. I however think God is a DElusion. As with free will - because I don't believe in it...it's not an illusion to me. Doesn't seem apparent at all - it DID in the PAST though when I believed it.

So you don't experience anything at all then? Nothing, even if it does turn out to be an illusion and not of our own making?

I don't sense an illusion. I sense no free will at all. OTHERS do - they BELIEVE that THEY make choices. I CALL it making a choice when I 'choose' a certain flavour of pack of crisps for example. But for me PERSONALLY there is no illusion of 'free will' - there's no reason to believe in it AT ALL.

You see, I actually do experience something that I call 'free will', whether it turns out to be true or false it's still there as a definate experience,

You experience life. And you believe you have free will. Where does the experiencing 'free will' come in there? The fact you believe you have 'free will' is not an indication that you DO have it. As I said - that's circular reasoning.

but you don't experience anything at all then?

I experience stuff...I just...don't know of any reason to believe in free will that's all!

Nothing, even if it does turn out to be an illusion and not of our own making?

I no longer sense even an illusion. I know of NO reason to believe in free will whatsoever.

I do stuff. I think stuff. But I do not believe that I choose this...I just AM. I'm part of physics - if I DID believe I had free will that would not be any reason TO believe the TRUTH of it because that's circular reasoning... And THAT - is why I don't believe in free will.

Are you having a turkish?

I don't understand that expression. Perhaps you could clarify?

Just on a side note, and I quite funny one I think , we all are arguing for either free will or no free will. Does that mean EvF didn't 'choose' to argue or hold his point of view, and that you chose freely? Or that I didn't have a choice to not believe in it? It's a strange idea methinks.

My argument is objective because belief in free will is irrelevant to the truth of free will. I know of no reason to believe that ANY of us are 'CHOOSING' to do ANY of this - whether we BELIEVE it or not makes no difference and whether we simply CALL it 'choosing' or not makes no difference!

EvF