On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

Credible proof of God's existence has changed the world. Not that these changes have all been good; quite the opposite, in fact.

What credible proof of god's existence, this is an assertion you often make but fail to provide credible proof ?

You're simply in the minority, because God has withheld common sense from you, at least concerning this matter.

Well how about some proof of the withholder, before we take this remotely seriously.

Truly, you're powerless to reason your way to His existence - we can't receive a single thing, whether that be a piece of valid knowledge, a physical blessing, or spiritual revelation except by His grace.

And yet, we only have your assertion for this, how do you know what you believe is true, I think it's a perfectly reasonable request. How can we tell the difference between you reasoning your way to faith position, and the truth of it? How do we test your reasoning is good?

Of course, you and others here don't accept the proof as proof, [b]because it would destroy your worldview.

Our world view is one of waiting for proof for your claims. We will accept proof in fact I would go as far to say that any 'godly inspired' proof would not be so fallible to counter argument, that a deity's wisdom would clearly be superior to our own and undeniable. instead what we hear is the claims and assertions of mythology, clumsily presented that sound exactly like the claims of men who have created a deity.

Also, atheists claim there is no God all the time, if not explicitly then implicitly. Equating God with unicorns and comic book characters, which possibletarian has done several times, is a very clear example of this. So perhaps the burden of proof IS actually on you. I think that's a totally fair assessment.

Well we are actually saying these characters do not exist, that they were inventions, can you show your god is anything more than an invention ? By your own admission it really is an incredible story, albiet just one of many claims of many religions which you reject, Why should the burden of proof be actually on the unbeliever when all they are doing is asking for proof, after all we are not trying to make you bear the burden of proof for disbelief of every other theistic religion on the planet, heck we are not even asking you to bear the burden of proof when you reject those christians whose theology you reject, who also claim to have the whole truth and revelation from the very same god you do. Fact is christianity is so messed up right now even christians don't know what to believe.
How are we to tell the difference between you being confused and them ?

So why do you think we should take your interpretation of anything as truth ?

What you call the wisdom of god is simply an assertion.