On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[fredd bear]

I'm going to confess that I've made a mistake here, and that is that I never should've mentioned thermodynamics.

Hey, that's massively big of you.  I've been here for years and this seemingly simple redaction is just flat out beyond the ability of many of your peers in the faith.

However, the criticisms against my very simple claims can all be very adequately rebutted. Some of you are completely off the mark, and are putting words in my mouth, but that kind of behavior is par for the course here and I'm tired of combing through mountains of text to correct your mistakes. EDIT: Upon further investigation, there may not have been any mistakes. In any case I should not be making scientific arguments given my poor understanding of these things. My apologies.

Stahp, lol.  You said something dumb, and owning that was massively big.  Stick with that.  

The rest is debatable science, which merely brings us back to the same argument I originally posed. Apparently none of us here are experts on the subject matter, and it ultimately comes down to "who do you believe?" Sounds like you believe men; I believe God. What more is there to say?

The expertise of our membership may surprise you.

Aint nobody gonna pm your silly ass.  Keep being you.  It is, after all..all that you can do.  We have a thread for the "evidence of design".  

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54759-page-1233.html

"Well, I still believe that there is ample evidence of design all throughout the earth and beyond, and it's there for your consideration"


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Looks like you just changed feet again:

Belief and faith are not proof.

The most common argument used by those arguing intelligent design/ irreducible complexity is the discredited 'watch maker analogy'. Perhaps something else is meant? if so, what?

"The watchmaker analogy or watchmaker argument is a teleological argument which states, by way of an analogy, that a design implies a designer. The analogy has played a prominent role in natural theology and the "argument from design," where it was used to support arguments for the existence of God and for the intelligent design of the universe, in both Christianity and Deism. "

"In crossing a heath, suppose I pitched my foot against a stone, and were asked how the stone came to be there; I might possibly answer, that, for anything I knew to the contrary, it had lain there forever: nor would it perhaps be very easy to show the absurdity of this answer. But suppose I had found a watch upon the ground, and it should be inquired how the watch happened to be in that place; I should hardly think of the answer I had before given, that for anything I knew, the watch might have always been there. ... There must have existed, at some time, and at some place or other, an artificer or artificers, who formed [the watch] for the purpose which we find it actually to answer; who comprehended its construction, and designed its use. ... Every indication of contrivance, every manifestation of design, which existed in the watch, exists in the works of nature; with the difference, on the side of nature, of being greater or more, and that in a degree which exceeds all computation.
— William Paley, Natural Theology (1802) "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy