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Did Jesus decompose?
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
(March 11, 2019 at 2:22 pm)tackattack Wrote: Guess I'm just begging someone to take the shot. Scientific theory can't usually stand two competing theories to describe one phenomenon. I'm assuming that's your basis for assuming they're incompatible.  Science isn't really good at describing non-objects, but I'll try a different example. Similarly, light has a wave theory and a particle theory two competing theories about the same object but both true. I was just using DID as an example where competing identities within one body can be present and cooperative, because I thought was an example closer to the subject. I also re-watched split last week and it was fresh on my mind, so I was being lazy.
I'm not sure if you're referring to the did/christology comparison or the fully human fully god thing..but in either case your assumption would be wrong.  

The fully human fully god thing was incompatible on the basis of the religious tenets of those proto-christians that aligned with the abrahamic elements of the development of the movement set in contrast with the hellenistic elements.   Two of the three overarching abrahamics continue to regard the notion of god made a man as flatly heretical.  Christians, on the other hand, went all in on hellenization as a consequence of having embedded themselves in roman authority.    

That's the only phenomena we're discussing, in truth, though I appreciate that you believe otherwise.  

As to the other, without going too far into the weeds, it's not strictly true that did is an issue of two competing identities, nor, if it were, would this make it a competent analogy to a god and a man sharing body space.  The entirety of the conscious stream involved in did is produced by a single individual, constructed from them, fully human and not in the relevant quality even remotely of a "different nature"...let alone the alleged difference in nature between men and gods.  

Back to christianity and how we come to find ourselves here.  It's often the case that the ideas you see expressed in new magic book were the body of work of a sect that is now defunct, having found themselves incapable (for a variety of reasons) of competing in the religious economy of the jesus movement during it's formation.  At a time when the movement was trying to create an intellectual framework for itself the existence of those works and ideas couldn't be ignored nor could they be disposed of as conveniently as the people who had created them.  Marcion is probably the most well known example.   There were other theological or practical issues that an antithetical corpus addressed to the satisfaction of the victors and for this reason the paradoxical articles would be piggybacked in on that other thing.  The camps representing both visions of christ were very much distinct from each other, but they ended up getting grafted together in the fullness of time due to these compelling interests.  

It is deliciously wild that the central contention of marcionism, profoundly hellenistic, that the demi-god (and not a man at all, at that) of new magic book was not the same god as that of old magic book was declared to be heresy even as the hellenistic current it represented eventually became the authoritative voice of christianity through the use of a gospel pioneered by the very same man. The thing you now hold is full of contradictory this and that's because it was the product of human interaction and organization, not the product of some supernatural event or divine being (regardless of whether or not there were either). You find yourself trying to understand a "phenomena" without realizing that you are trying to understand the wrong phenomena in the first place. The question is not how christ could be both god and man, there is no resolution to that because there was no christ...the question is why and how people came to believe as much.
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Did Jesus decompose? - by Natachan - March 6, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Valkyrie - March 6, 2019 at 5:45 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Brian37 - March 6, 2019 at 5:52 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by no one - March 6, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Rev. Rye - March 6, 2019 at 6:17 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by brewer - March 6, 2019 at 6:35 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Natachan - March 6, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Rev. Rye - March 6, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Natachan - March 6, 2019 at 10:36 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Godscreated - March 7, 2019 at 2:09 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Natachan - March 7, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Godscreated - March 8, 2019 at 4:14 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Fake Messiah - March 8, 2019 at 4:48 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Valkyrie - March 6, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by ignoramus - March 7, 2019 at 1:58 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 7, 2019 at 10:19 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Huggy Bear - March 25, 2019 at 7:47 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Rev. Rye - March 7, 2019 at 12:36 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Valkyrie - March 7, 2019 at 12:45 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2019 at 3:32 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 7, 2019 at 4:26 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by LastPoet - March 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2019 at 5:26 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Natachan - March 7, 2019 at 5:35 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 7, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2019 at 6:43 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by fredd bear - March 7, 2019 at 6:48 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 8, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2019 at 6:52 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2019 at 9:53 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Drich - March 8, 2019 at 9:53 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 8, 2019 at 10:51 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 8, 2019 at 1:01 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Brian37 - March 8, 2019 at 1:22 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Rev. Rye - March 8, 2019 at 11:56 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Godscreated - March 9, 2019 at 2:25 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Abaddon_ire - March 10, 2019 at 12:27 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Godscreated - March 11, 2019 at 1:28 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by fredd bear - March 11, 2019 at 1:44 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Godscreated - March 12, 2019 at 3:02 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by fredd bear - March 26, 2019 at 8:18 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Magilla - March 10, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Mister Agenda - March 8, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 8, 2019 at 12:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Brian37 - March 8, 2019 at 12:27 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 8, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by fredd bear - March 8, 2019 at 7:47 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Brian37 - March 10, 2019 at 7:29 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2019 at 11:35 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by chimp3 - March 10, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by fredd bear - March 10, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2019 at 9:04 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 10, 2019 at 11:17 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2019 at 11:20 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 10, 2019 at 11:43 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2019 at 11:46 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 11, 2019 at 9:17 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2019 at 1:36 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by chimp3 - March 11, 2019 at 6:40 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by Cod - March 11, 2019 at 7:05 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 11, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2019 at 9:36 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 11, 2019 at 2:22 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2019 at 3:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 12, 2019 at 11:54 am
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2019 at 1:19 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 12, 2019 at 3:47 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 14, 2019 at 2:22 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2019 at 2:30 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by tackattack - March 14, 2019 at 2:45 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Valkyrie - March 14, 2019 at 3:19 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 10:16 pm
RE: Did Jesus decompose? - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 9:35 am

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