The most awkward conversation ever

[Yonadav]

Oh for fuck sake!. The hymen myth is alive and well.

The hymen is a biological fact. However, largely through simple ignorance men have given an absurd importance.

The virgin Mary is so names because she had never had sex when she became pregnant with Jesus.

The term 'virgo intacta" has come to mean anyone (male or female) who has never ha sex with another person. I don't think objects count.

Merriam-Webster

virgo intacta Latin phrase
vir·go in·tac·ta | \ ˈvir-ˌgō-in-ˈtäk-tä
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Definition of virgo intacta

: untouched virgin


Check out the link below:

https://iwhc.org/2010/05/10-myths-about-...-debunked/

I'm not sure what your point is here. Mary was ostensibly Jewish in a Jewish land, so Jewish law would have applied. Talmudic discussions say that the hymen is proof of virginity, but a hymen that is not intact is not proof of having had sexual relations-- the reason being 'accidents of wood'. An accident of wood is any event other than sexual relations that might have caused the hymen to not be intact. So the upshot would be that Jewish law would accept an intact hymen as being proof of virginity.

That's all sort of moot, though. Jewish law would never accept that a virgin birth was Divine in origin, unless a prophet who had established their credentials as a prophet said that the pregnancy was Divine in origin. This pregnancy happened after the time of the prophets. There were no prophets who could have certified the pregnancy as being Divine in origin at that time. So there is absolutely no chance that Jews would have accepted the pregnancy as an 'immaculate conception'. They would have accepted proof of her virginity, but they would have regarded her pregnancy as still being a mundane event. Jews don't accept 'miracles' very easily. Jewish law specifically rejects 'magic' as being proof of anything.

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Maybe it wasn't questioned? Maybe there was some sort of bullshit prophecy to be fulfilled or something? Maybe people were lying for Jesus even before he was born? Or shock horror, maybe it never happened??

It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

You are completely wrong. It was not a stoning offense. Becoming pregnant is not a stoning offense. You're thinking like a goy. It is only a stoning offense when adulterers are caught in the act, and then both of them are stoned. They have to be caught in the act by two witnesses. If one of the witnesses is the woman's husband, then only the male adulterer is going to be stoned, ironically because the husband is disqualified as a witness against his wife.

You can jump up and down and scream about how obviously a pregnancy is proof of illicit sexual relationships all that you want, but Jewish law just doesn't accept that. An unmarried woman absolutely could become pregnant, deny having had sexual relations with anyone, and a Jewish court couldn't have done anything about it. In Jewish law there is death at the hands of the court, and there is death from Heaven. When someone commits crimes that can't be punished at the hands of the court, then it is in the hands of Heaven. So when Jews noticed that an unmarried woman is pregnant and she denies having had illicit sexual relations with anyone, they just accepted it. She's either telling the truth or G-d is going to strike her down at some point in the future.

There was only one thing that could be done about a married woman committing adultery in the absence of witnesses-- only if the husband couldn't set aside his suspicion. He could demand that she drink the bitter waters. After drinking the bitter waters she would either die horribly or suffer no ill effects at all in accordance with her guilt or innocence. If Joseph had demanded that Mary drink the bitter waters, then that absolutely would have proved her fidelity according to Jewish law. But even then, we would not have accepted the pregnancy as Divine, since we simply don't accept magic as being proof of anything. She would just be a pregnant virgin, and the pregnancy would be viewed as an unexplained mundane matter.