RE: Do you wish there's a god?
March 29, 2019 at 6:56 am
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2019 at 7:27 am by Acrobat.)
(March 28, 2019 at 6:28 pm)fredd bear Wrote: @Acrobat.
"The wrongness of torturing babies just for fun, is as objectively true as 1+1 =2, and the existence of an elephant at my local zoo."
Can't quite grasp that.Could you please provide your proof of that claim?
You have given a moral imperative as your example. I wasn't aware that moral imperatives were objectively true. Your claim, your burden of proof.
At present, I hold the position of moral relativism. I may indeed change my position if you can prove your claim.
We all perceive reality through our minds, some elements are perceived as external to us, like the chair in my room, or the car outside, or other people, etc.. and some are perceived as internal subjective to us, like our feelings, and tastes, like my preference for black, or sushi, etc...
The wrongness of torturing babies for fun, isn't perceived the way we perceive our emotions, or personal preferences, it's perceived and experienced as an external objective truth, not as a subjective preference. When we say torturing innocent babies just for fun is wrong, it's not synonymous with saying, it's wrong because I don't like it, or because my society is of the personal opinion that it is.
If someone believed that torturing innocent babies just for fun is good, that person wouldn't be someone who has a different set of tastes, who likes pizza more than sushi, etc.., but as someone denying the holocaust happened, as delusional, as a sociopath, etc.... A person in denial of a truth, that appears self-evident to the rest of us.
In fact we discuss and argue about morality, the way we argue about truth, not the way we might argue about the best band, of best Indian restaurant in town.
We have no reason to deny that our experience and observations here are not external to us, that they exist purely in our mind, any more so than any other objective truth of reality, other than on the basis of some presuppositions in which it can't be so.