RE: Do you wish there's a god?
March 29, 2019 at 11:57 am
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2019 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 29, 2019 at 11:37 am)Acrobat Wrote:Probably more to do with the idiotic things that believers call "objective morality" than the simple fact that they don't believe in gods.(March 29, 2019 at 10:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: In any case, your notion that this is somehow a product of atheism is fatally misconceived. Relative moral systems have historically been based in god beliefs, specifically the belief in gods subjective moral system, and objective moral systems need no reference to gods..regardless of whether or not gods exist.
I'm merely pointing out that the reason why many atheists reject moral objectivism, is because of their atheism. Clearly you're not included in this assessment, since you agree that moral objectivism is true. Whether one can reconcile moral objectivism and atheism is beside the point here.
Not believing in a god doesn't necessitate, lend support, or even suggest a particular stance on morality. I've been having this convo on the boards for awhile. The notion that atheists actually do reject moral realism isn't entirely accurate in the first place. You've been trying to suggest as much with your own comments.
So, you know, make up your mind, do atheists accept moral realism and just not know it, or do they reject it because hurr dur their atheism?
Quote:That's sufficient enough. In recognition of a common humanity, a man can recognize that he ought not to treat others as less than him, but as equals. Just like when I ask my nephew when he's done something mean to somebody, how would you like it if someone treated you that way, it causes him to reflect and aids in him recognizing what he did was wrong. You don't need to appeal, or believe in God to recognize certain things are wrong, like torturing innocent babies just for fun is wrong.It certainly seems to help to believe in a god to think otherwise though, doesn't it?
Particularly when commanded to do so by a god or justified by some gods inherent claims to ethnocentric supremacy or possession and gifting of land, lol.
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