RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 4, 2019 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2019 at 1:55 pm by Succubus.)
(April 4, 2019 at 1:45 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(April 4, 2019 at 1:06 pm)Succubus Wrote: My highlite. Acrobat, this look very much like Alvin Plantinga's argument that atheist lack an understanding of sophisticated theology.
Am I getting warm?
It's not even sophisticated theology, it's just basic orthodox theology, shared by mainline protestants, catholics, eastern orthodox, or that of much of historical theism. Much of it is even shared among fundie evangelicals as well. Fundie evangelicals don't necessary disagree with such views, they just often fail at articulating or defending them as properly.
Atheists can lack such knowledge, I mean to each is own. The end result is that atheists arguments against theism, can't be taken anymore seriously than fundie arguments against atheism. The line "who created god" might get applause from fellow atheists, just like "have you ever seen a monkey give birth to a human" might get applause from fellow creationist, but are just cringe, silly, and dismissible for everyone outside their respective choirs.
The other issue, the sort of atheism that develops as a counter argument to fundamentalism, never seems to mature or grow or develop. I've been on atheists forums for over decade, and there never seems to be any growth in thought, not just in regards to theism, but in regards to ones atheism itself. It's just breaks down to a repetition of thoughtless slogans.
Being among atheists for so long, rather than eroding my confidence in theism, has solidified it. But even I have to admit that confidence has been won on the cheap, because of all the poor arguments of the opposition.
Restating the same argument (for that is exactly what you just did) will not make the argument any more valid. As for theology, sophisticated or otherwise, I will leave you with this:
Quote:The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing, and it admits of no conclusion.
Thomas Paine.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.