RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2019 at 6:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're not talking to people who don't believe that this or that thing is beautiful, or that we're incapable of learning from fiction, Bel. You're talking to people who don't believe in gods.
Then you are basing your moral compulsions on a subjective state. That's an easy morality. Doing what you find beautiful, avoiding what you find ugly. I'd wager that a person doesn't even need moral agency at all to accomplish that.
Where realism, and realist compulsion is useful and comes into play..is when every option available is ugly...downright repulsive. When you find yourself doing something other than chasing whatever it is you may find beautiful. Or when the bad thing is completely seductive.
We've already agreed that moral values can coincide with aesthetic values, they just aren't content equivalent. That's what makes it an equivocation, regardless of how you might find pretty things more compelling than ugly ones. Most of us do, even though we don't find the same things pretty, or ugly. Your compulsion to beauty can backfire...morally, and, case in point.... in this thread.
-as can your repulsion towards the ugly. You may find yourself morally condemning some person on account of nothing more than your taste in aesthetics. You may find yourself mired in incogency on account of your own distaste.
(April 4, 2019 at 6:38 pm)Acrobat Wrote: The reason I'm faithful to my wife, want to do right by my kids, my family etc... is on the basis of love for them. It's that sort of beauty of love, that motivates my moral behavior, and actions, my perceptions of right and wrong, Its on the beauty of values like human dignity, of brotherhood, community, friendship, empathy, kindness, generosity, mercy, that we seek to serve these things.
Once you extrapolate the true values for whatever moral statement you can throw out, it's not that hard to see the aesthetic aspect of them.
Then you are basing your moral compulsions on a subjective state. That's an easy morality. Doing what you find beautiful, avoiding what you find ugly. I'd wager that a person doesn't even need moral agency at all to accomplish that.
Where realism, and realist compulsion is useful and comes into play..is when every option available is ugly...downright repulsive. When you find yourself doing something other than chasing whatever it is you may find beautiful. Or when the bad thing is completely seductive.
We've already agreed that moral values can coincide with aesthetic values, they just aren't content equivalent. That's what makes it an equivocation, regardless of how you might find pretty things more compelling than ugly ones. Most of us do, even though we don't find the same things pretty, or ugly. Your compulsion to beauty can backfire...morally, and, case in point.... in this thread.
-as can your repulsion towards the ugly. You may find yourself morally condemning some person on account of nothing more than your taste in aesthetics. You may find yourself mired in incogency on account of your own distaste.
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