Do you wish there's a god?

[The Grand Nudger]

I accept that you view morality through the lens of what you find aesthetically pleasing.  I specifically laid out both that and how I'm human just like you and that subjectivity is just as much a part of who I am as it is who you are. 

I just don’t elevate that to the status of my moral framework.

That’s because you’re delusiona, and try to imagine yourself as something other than the biological creature you are, as a man living outside his body.  You lack the basic self awareness needed to recognize the nonsense even from purely atheistic perspective regarding your moral views.

Why do you think I'm trying to imagine myself as something other than I am, and why do you think that I can't recognize my own subjectivity..particularly when I've explicitly acknowledged my own subjectivity?  

I'm only telling you that I don't elevate that to the status of my moral framework.  Why is this such a difficult thing for you?  You knew I was a realist going into this..that I reject explicit subjectivity as a valid method for reaching moral conclusions is baked right into that word.  That's the difference between subjectivism and realism.

 My moral proactive behavior is very much connected to my moral reasoning.

No it isn’t. A variety of studies have shown that there’s no real relationship between these two have been found. That what you call moral reasoning, is primarily a justification after the fact. The reason why you and I jumped in front of bullet for our wives, gf, children, mother, etc… isn’t because you relied on your unique moral reasoning to compel you to do it, and I instead did so because I was compelled by love. But rather we did so based on similar underlying motivations.

Yes, it is.  We can go back and forth all day long like this, you're just being a tool because you're frustrated.  

I might jump in front of a bullet for my wife for no moral reason at all, just instinct in the moment, sure.  Is that supposed to demonstrate that I don't consider actions before I commit to them, or that I commit to actions because they're beautiful?  

“It has been hard to find any correlation between moral reasoning and proactive moral behavior, such as helping other people. In fact, in most recent studies, none has been found…As one might predict based on what we have learned so far, moral behavior, as evidenced by helping others, is more correlated with emotion and self- control.”

“The proposal is that a stimulus induces an automatic process of approval (approach) or disapproval (avoid), which may lead to a full-on emotional state. The emotional state produces a moral intuition that may motivate an individual to action. Reasoning about the judgment or action comes afterward, as the brain seeks a rational explanation for an automatic re- action it has no clue about. This includes moral judgments, which are not often the result of actual moral reasoning.” - Michael Gazzaniga

Sure, there's a wide range of behaviors that we engage in for no moral reason and without any process of moral reasoning, or any rational process whatsoever, while we're at it.  The existence of that range of things doesn't demonstrate that there is nothing that we consider beforehand and then commit to.  It doesn't demonstrate that a person cannot hold moral realism as their position, that the beautiful and the good are the same thing, or that we explicitly seek the beautiful and cannot be compelled by the moral value of a thing in spite of it's aesthetic flaws.

Part of moral realism, in practice..is recognizing those things you think are right or wrong for no reason, societal reasons, or subjective reasons..and modifying your position on those items.

 

It's highly unlikely that you and I have uniformly equivalent aesthetic tastes, but if you want to agree with me that the good can be ugly, then so be it it?  

When it comes to morality, particularly core morality, it is highly likely. It been shown that our brains react quite similarly to variety of moral scenarios across cultures, and societies.

The sheer fact of our disagreement in this thread demonstrates otherwise.  Your only recourse has been to call me delusional, lol.  Well..maybe, but if so...we still don't agree...now do we?  

OFC people with similar equipment do similar things, this would be a fact of subjectivity, we've already discussed this..it's called intersubjectivity.

Are we going to hear what any of this is supposed to have to do with your reasons for believing in gods this side of judgment day, or what?