RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 8, 2019 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: April 8, 2019 at 4:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Unless that something is a god, it doesn't matter to atheism. It's truth or antithesis is, therefore, irrelevant to atheism.
I think that you might communicate any of the notions you floated better, but I don't disagree, and yet this doesn't produce god belief. Others, who do believe in god, can and do disagree with the same.
There seems to be a pattern in your thinking. You equiviocate between beauty and what is right just as you equivocate between meaning and gods. Just as before, the simple fact that people can and do distinguish between the two is all that would be required to demonstrate that this is a poor argument. I find it highly unlikely that it's actually what informs you on that subject. It may surround some other supposition, but in and of itself it doesn't produce god beliefs.
What you're likely to experience as "the typical unbeliever" is, more than anything else, a response to the typical believers claims. They may have other thoughts on the issue but what would the opportunity be for you to hear them? Even more specifically, you might have more in common with the "typical unbeliever" than you think. If the typical unbeliever was raised religious..and they were....they will have been indoctrinated to these same claims you make (and those you don't voice - the ones likely informing you here)...hell, even if they weren;t raised with those claims they form the basis of popular tradition and thinking...so, rejecting, for example, that there are gods..but being taught to believe that value and meaning in the sense described can only come from those gods..very much can and does lead a person to then reject that sort of value and meaning.
Baby, bathwater.
\When you talk about value and meaning as indicators of gods, you must, necessarily, be talking about godvalue and godmeaning. Atheists don't have godvalue and godmeaning in their lives, lol, regardless of how much value or meaning they have in their lives.
You'e not actually talking to people who don't believe in value or meaning, you are talking to people who don't believe in gods.
I think that you might communicate any of the notions you floated better, but I don't disagree, and yet this doesn't produce god belief. Others, who do believe in god, can and do disagree with the same.
There seems to be a pattern in your thinking. You equiviocate between beauty and what is right just as you equivocate between meaning and gods. Just as before, the simple fact that people can and do distinguish between the two is all that would be required to demonstrate that this is a poor argument. I find it highly unlikely that it's actually what informs you on that subject. It may surround some other supposition, but in and of itself it doesn't produce god beliefs.
What you're likely to experience as "the typical unbeliever" is, more than anything else, a response to the typical believers claims. They may have other thoughts on the issue but what would the opportunity be for you to hear them? Even more specifically, you might have more in common with the "typical unbeliever" than you think. If the typical unbeliever was raised religious..and they were....they will have been indoctrinated to these same claims you make (and those you don't voice - the ones likely informing you here)...hell, even if they weren;t raised with those claims they form the basis of popular tradition and thinking...so, rejecting, for example, that there are gods..but being taught to believe that value and meaning in the sense described can only come from those gods..very much can and does lead a person to then reject that sort of value and meaning.
Baby, bathwater.
\When you talk about value and meaning as indicators of gods, you must, necessarily, be talking about godvalue and godmeaning. Atheists don't have godvalue and godmeaning in their lives, lol, regardless of how much value or meaning they have in their lives.
You'e not actually talking to people who don't believe in value or meaning, you are talking to people who don't believe in gods.
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