RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 9:35 am
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2019 at 9:40 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Can we at least slow it down to a trot?
What people are referring to when they use that term is that in order to derive some ought from any is a person requires at least one evaluative premise. Any evaluative premise that makes no reference to gods is open to atheists and theists alike. Positing an evaluative premise that makes reference to gods does not establish that the evaluative premise is objective...and any objective premise that iuncluded a god would not be objective by that inclusion. If it stands..objectively, it stands regardless of gods.
All your work is still ahead of you.
Oh please, I could drop thousands of the comments I just described to you in quotes on the boards over the years, and it's a common view of human failure between the faithful. Meanwhile, the majority view of ethics in academia is secular moral realism...and if you asked any atheist on this site why they thought that some x was bad..they're going to give you an explicitly or implicitly realist explanation for it.
aaaaand none of this has anything to do with gods, atheists and theists are both people, people are not gods, until you deign to make your position known. Why don't you just do that?
What people are referring to when they use that term is that in order to derive some ought from any is a person requires at least one evaluative premise. Any evaluative premise that makes no reference to gods is open to atheists and theists alike. Positing an evaluative premise that makes reference to gods does not establish that the evaluative premise is objective...and any objective premise that iuncluded a god would not be objective by that inclusion. If it stands..objectively, it stands regardless of gods.
All your work is still ahead of you.
(April 9, 2019 at 9:30 am)Acrobat Wrote:
(April 9, 2019 at 9:25 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, it isn't. The faithful constantly refer to human morality as subjective in order to posit what they mistakenly refer to as their gods objective morality.
Now we're galloping off to teleology. Hey, guess what...there's such a concept as a natural teleology, as well. Still no gods required. A utilitarian realist, for example..posits that morality as a phenomena is best explained by the purpose it serves rather than whatever circumstances by which it may have arisen.
I'm going to stop you here, for a moment, to let something sink in. You don't actually like talking about these things. Your interest is strictly limited to your own tiny band of misconceptions.
Then clearly you don’t understand the faithful. If you asked them directly you’d find that nearly all theists believe morality is objective, pretty much every Christian apologist argues for this.
Where as atheists like rob who believe morality is subjective are a dime a dozen.
Oh please, I could drop thousands of the comments I just described to you in quotes on the boards over the years, and it's a common view of human failure between the faithful. Meanwhile, the majority view of ethics in academia is secular moral realism...and if you asked any atheist on this site why they thought that some x was bad..they're going to give you an explicitly or implicitly realist explanation for it.
aaaaand none of this has anything to do with gods, atheists and theists are both people, people are not gods, until you deign to make your position known. Why don't you just do that?
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