RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 11:20 am
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2019 at 11:31 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Just as a fun sideline, for people not quite as interested in things like this, lol....as far as we can tell..a flowchart of human belief through time went something like-
non-cog
animism
ancestor worship
polytheism
henotheism
monotheism
deism
pantheism/panentheism
regional variations apply, lol.
I'll wait for you to get something right by accident.
These cases are exactly the sorts of things that a nihilist can refer to, and after having done so, pose the question of what about some other case shows that it's not an example of the same.
What you're expressing is that nihilism is threatening to your silly beliefs, not that we or this world make more or less sense in light of your beliefs or nihilism. You seek to avoid a negatively valued conclusion. That is one of your desires. You desire this even if the world is as nihilists propose. The manner in which you've attempted to reject nihilism makes you a wonderful example.
Not that it matters, since atheists don't have to be nihilists.
non-cog
animism
ancestor worship
polytheism
henotheism
monotheism
deism
pantheism/panentheism
regional variations apply, lol.
(April 9, 2019 at 11:17 am)Acrobat Wrote:You say "no" - then argue with yourself. Is my participation required?(April 9, 2019 at 10:56 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Nihilism isn't a position on whether we live in a world with or without desire.
To be blunt....it explicitly asserts that human beings desire meaning and create that meaning as a direct response to a lack of inherent meaning.
No nihilism, only requires the rejection of objective meaning, it doesn't require you to take a position on any other forms of meaning, subjective meaning, or whether or not human being can create meaning, etc.... Just like atheism doesn't require you to believe that God beliefs are imaginary, or delusional. Human being also don't create meaning, they find things meaningful, they don't make things meaningful. A nihilist could agree that even subjective meaning isn't created, just as I indicated.
I'll wait for you to get something right by accident.
Quote:It makes no more or less sense in either world, and desire doesn't have to make sense in the first place. Absent any external or inherent meaning, human beings would still desire it. Human desire needs no explanation beyond the fact that humans are creatures that desire. It doesn't depend on our desires being sensible or referent..even if we live in a world in which desire -can be- referent to external or inherent value it's still very often the case that it is not.Quote:That we desire meaning is true regardless of what kind of world we live in, the existence of that desire, itself, makes no more or less sense regardless of either. This is before we get into the inanity of insisting that desire makes sense in the first place...in any kind of world.
The desire for meaning makes more sense in a reality in which meaning exists. Absent of the existence of such meaning, it would have to be explained away, you need an excuse, sort like I would need an excuse to explain to my wife how I got lipstick on my shirt accidentally, and not because I was cheating on her.
These cases are exactly the sorts of things that a nihilist can refer to, and after having done so, pose the question of what about some other case shows that it's not an example of the same.
What you're expressing is that nihilism is threatening to your silly beliefs, not that we or this world make more or less sense in light of your beliefs or nihilism. You seek to avoid a negatively valued conclusion. That is one of your desires. You desire this even if the world is as nihilists propose. The manner in which you've attempted to reject nihilism makes you a wonderful example.
Not that it matters, since atheists don't have to be nihilists.
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