(October 9, 2011 at 6:12 am)Justtristo Wrote:You are incorrect. If the Turkish migration to Anatolia was as small scale as the Avars and Huns before them, they would be assimilated just like them, as though as they were never there.(October 7, 2011 at 11:55 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(October 7, 2011 at 8:21 am)5thHorseman Wrote: Farenc Puskas was the greatest Magyar.
The greatest was, indeed Arpad.
I, as a Turk, view the Magyars as the closest people to us in Europe, as a whole. Not our former muslim subjects, like Bosnians and Albanians, as they may have adopted our religion, and maybe some of our customs, but our history and lineage meet eachother with the Magyars.
I also hope to attend the Kurultai in Hungary this year, hopefully.
As far as I know it, the Turkish people are mostly descendants of Islamised Greeks and Armenians. Plus some of Bosnian, Greek and Bulgarian Muslim refugees. I don deny there was a migration of central Asians into modern day turkey, however it is more a matter of the local assimilating into the culture of the conquerors.
By the way I knew a lot of Turkish people when I was a teenager. Only a few looked remotely like Central Asians, a lot of them looked like Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and Syrians.
(October 7, 2011 at 7:53 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I gave up 'rightful' a long time ago and so should you. Romania is still what we may refer to as Trans-sylvania.. the last bastion of native forests in Europe. Interesting blood line Murad XIV had.
A lot of the Ottoman sultan's mothers were Christian slave girls from places like the Balkans and Russia.
(October 5, 2011 at 4:16 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: And my father's family still maintains that Vlad Tepes was a great ruler. He was still a dick.
Was Vlad Tepes fairly good towards the Jews by any chance?
We, however, came in huge numbers. We didn't have to assimilate the population, and frankly, we didn't want to, because we were farming jizya from these people, and if they would convert, this would truly reflect itself on the coffers of the sultan.
Besides, in Turkey, you know what you are. People often claim to be turks, but this is due to the bullshit nationality description that we have.."Anyone who is a Turkish citizen is a Turk".. and all. We have had an influx of non-turkish refugees from the Balkans in the past, and they also style themselves as Turks sometimes, but if you question them further, they'll tell you that they're either bosniaks, or albanians.
But the "islamisation" thing is simply a myth. As there are two major groups of muslims to testify in the Balkans(Albanians and Bosniaks, muslim, yet do not speak Turkish), becoming a muslim does not turn you into a Turk. As a matter of fact, Albanians and Bosniaks resent us, and distance themselves from us as much as possible(unless they need us politically).
Similarly, all the Turks in Turkey, who are ethnic Turks know in general, from which tribe/region they are. I know mine.
Apart from that, there never was a nationwide genetic research done in Turkey. Most people might have taken blood samples from native or immigrant people in Istanbul. Istanbul is by no means homogenic, whereas the majority of the cities in Turkey are homogenous in ethnic terms, with slight deviations that come in forms of villages, mostly.
Quote:By the way I knew a lot of Turkish people when I was a teenager. Only a few looked remotely like Central Asians, a lot of them looked like Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and Syrians.And I take it that you know as many greeks, armenians, bulgarians and syrians to make that comparison?
I know my family line quite well, so I have no worries about being of any of these.
Quote:A lot of the Ottoman sultan's mothers were Christian slave girls from places like the Balkans and Russia.I know the sad mongrelization of the Ottoman bloodline. Still doesn't change the fact that their bloodline does go back to Ertughrul Ghazi.
In the light of all of this, if we were like anything of the people you've counted, our culture would have to be very close to any of these.
But we have distinct instruments, distinct music, distinct food, and distinct ways of dress.
Obviously, we are not of their kin, and they are not of our kin.
Turkey is not just for Turks that are from Anatolia. My family are from the Crimean Tatars and Romanian Turks/Tatars.
And if I'd ask the guy that lives next door, he'll tell me that he's from the Yörüks, nomads of Turkey. And if I'll ask the guy that lives downstairs, he'll tell me that he's from the exiled Turks of the Karamanoğlu beylik in Konya.
And so forth. Everyone knows who they are exactly. Whatever you are talking about, is the west, trying to discredit our heritage and bloodline, and insulting us by declaring us a non-nation of mongrels that does not exist. It is simply disgusting, but not particularly annoying, since we know who we are, and do not need "western experts" to tell us what we are.
It is really weird, since the majority of the western nations do not know what the hell they are, since their history doesn't go back past the 10th century, except for the more purer Germanics and slavs, who at least speak the languages of their forefathers, and are not like the British, French and the Spaniards, who are artificial nations, with languages derived from latin and few germanic words to supplement it.
The Turks, however, have a history and language that goes fairly well back, being documented according to their own tribes, and some of the oldest tribes still existing in Turkey(The Chepni, for example, being documented during Göktürk khanate, they still number about 5 million alone).
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