(April 15, 2019 at 11:03 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:(April 15, 2019 at 4:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Precisely. Which is why the courts SHOULD be involved. If it determined that the splitters have a right to stay put, fine. It a court determines they should get out, also fine.
But the notion that religious groups can't avail themselves of law courts solely because they're religious groups (which is what was intimated) is simply nutty.
Boru
(April 15, 2019 at 8:42 pm)madog Wrote: If the dispute is non religious, merely a question of title or tennants rights on a purely secular basis then the courts are appropriate ...
however, all of their religious tripe should be barred from any proceedings ....
'separation of church and state'
Madog hit it. They shouldn't want Uncle Sam anywhere near resolving this dispute for them. Either the title holder will rent the space, sell them the place....or they have to get out eventually.
Our government forcibly depriving a religious organization of it's property in order to confer that property to a splinter sect after their breakup on ideological grounds is exactly the sort of shit the separation is meant to avoid.
Obviously IDK if biker has the details right, but if he does..it's not even remotely an issue of rights, or an issue of whether or not people should be able to go to court if they're religious, Boru. The building belongs to the entity on the title. If they've chosen not to be a part of that entity, suing in an attempt to deprive them of property over a religious disagreement between them is a no go. It was never their church, the larger entity was letting out the space. Hard pill to swallow, I'm sure.
The Watchtower Org ran a sort of reverse scheme on precisely this state of affairs for years and years. Where they'd hold the mortgage, supply the credit, and refer the contractors on a hall. At least in their case, once all the grifters had been paid through voluntary donations, the hall would transfer to the congregants - and they used the status quo being referred to by bikers anecdote as a selling point for this con.
Considering my family was part of that church for over 50 years - I' m guessing I know what' s going on.....
