Bible Study: The God who Lies and Deceives

[Drich]

...meaning you get the truth, and not just the crap the church wants to spew from the pulpits on sunday... isn't that the point of this forum?

Well, to certain extent I did get the truth and it is good. You're one of the very few believers who are honest about it.

I had an experience of my final judgement and Hell. When Christ approached me I knew I would never measure up (Up to that time I wanted to spit in his eye/punch god in the face) for a moment I looked into his eyes I saw and understood everything for asecond. I saw everything as God saw everything and what's more I felt the love of God. this love was beyond anything I can describe. it made me feel 'complete.' And as soon as I was ready to be apart of all of that I hear away from me you evil servant, I never knew you.... Then whole hell thing told here: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

The point being just before I was consumed meaning just befor the crazy panic pain and desperation burned out my consciousness and made me into a rabbid husk I thought to my self if I had only known the truth things would be different, had I not been fooled by the church version of God, had I only sought God as his word commanded things would be different. To me that was the worst part of hell after experienceing God love for a moment and knowing that was what i was to be apart of if I had only known...

When I was given my second change I made my life about finding the truth and sharing it no matter what church said. Once I found God in this life I try and share the exact same experience with others. (experiencing God on his terms in this life.)

So the God of the Bible is like that. But it doesn't take away the ever present question. What makes him real for you? How is he more real than, say, the spirits the Chinese believe in? Or the Hindu gods? I know it's beating the dead horse but still.

Asie from the "dream" of judgement? (I say dream because I started my journey in bed and woke up in a much wetter bed.) I got to meet a messenger/angel: https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html

Then the things he promised started comming true. Spiritually speaking I wanted to have the knowledge of solomon at some point in my past and he/the angel knew this and said God heard me and was going to grant me a knowledge greater than anything solomon could have had. And he also said "and yes like solomon you will be granted more riches than you can imagine." So I wondered if the bible said solomon was the wisest and richest man who ever lived or will live then how can what this guy be telling be true?

Then the answer was given to me. Solomon's wisdom came from the seat of man, while I have been given access to the Holy Spirit of God. Meaning Solomon even without God's direct help retained 100% of his wisdom, while I depend 100% on God's help via the holy Spirit for help on the question I answer here and in other places..

Like my best example is the reconciliation of creation with evolution without changing a letter of either account of orgins. meaning God showed me how a 7 day creation works with the complete theory of evolution in any form with any time line science wants to put foruth. not only that it also preserves the 6000 year time line created through the genealogies. and on top of all of that it clears up all o fthe supposed paradoxes created by the traditional reading of genesis. IE who did adam's children marry, where did the city of nod that cain ran off to come from.

This was all given to me as if I where watching a movie that took about 15 mins. and again I do not change a word of the bible nor a wrd of the evolutionary theory. I simply show you how the church has been mis reading and mis interpreting the bible wrong all of these years.

That would be one example of the Holy Spirit giving me utterance/wisdom.
Answering the epurcean paradox was like a 2 min thing.

And just about all of the other typical atheist type questions and post you do not see here anymore.

To me God (and gods) is either a sweet delusion that people want to have to deal with the brutality of life and their insecurities or a tool in the hands of all sorts of manipulators.

This may have been true for me in the beginning, but God as I said or as he promised via his messenger has blessed me greatly. I am far more successful than my station in life would normally allow me to be.

The former is okey but one has to be always carefull not to let their delusions lead them into a trap (same goes to all the irrational beliefs). The Church  may make one comfortable but it's a dangerous deal that may come at a price of becoming a milking cow and a tool without even knowing it. Same goes with many secular ideologies. You have to be very carefull with what you sign up to.

The church like you said other ideologies is always a double edged sword. on one hand it can help you out of a bad place but then it can become about maintaining authority and position in the church.

Christianity as God intended is about freedom and love. So much so that if you need a tight and demanding church you can find God there, while at the same time one does not even have to attend typical 'church' services. Where just about anything so long as you heart mind spirit and strength are focused in the right place goes. Which is the primary reason there are so many different expression of the church. why? because none of us has it "right 100% of the time. But again that is ok because the same grace that forgives us when we sin also forgives us for being all the we can be and do for God but get the whole worship thing wrong anyway. So even as a legalistic heavy church we can find the same God as if we attended an on line chat or a vlog type of church. Because the church is just a tool we all have to use to build a relationship. it is not an automatic way into heaven.