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[Serious] Comfort in Faith at Death
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(July 24, 2019 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: Please do not misunderstand, I'm not trying to say derogatory things about your brother just have a statement to make. 
If your brother was part of IFCA then he did not take seriously the doctrine taught, the doctrine says that Christ alone saves through the atonement of our sins because of His shed blood and death, not what we have done or are currently doing. We are human and will make mistakes (ie. sin), if any of us could be sinless then Jesus would not have had to sacrifice His life for us. Some churches within a denomination will try and scare people into believing and it's ridiculous. I believe they do so because they lean on their understanding of the scriptures instead of leaning on God.

GC

My brother understood the doctrine -- he was a church elder after all -- but that didn't help with his subjective feelings of guilt, exacerbated by what he could only perceive to be a punishment handed down from a god who could have rewarded him rather than punish him with a tumor the size of a watermelon growing out the side of his leg.

The reality of course is that things like my brother's cancer happen independent of one's conduct or [un]worthiness because lived experience is pretty much what you'd expect if no one's directing outcomes in your life -- in your favor, or otherwise. Also what you'd expect if prayer doesn't "change things".

I could only tell my brother, you're asking "why" questions of the wrong person. Bad things sometimes happen to good people, and that is the case here. But I couldn't reach him. He could not explain aggressive cancer out of nowhere just a year into his well-earned retirement, the knowledge that his wife was about to become a widow, in any other way. If a person can be in church leadership and walking the straight and narrow for over four decades and not have a better take-away than that, then something is lacking in the dogma, I'd say. This is a guy who had daily devotions and prayed over every decision, and he felt kicked to the curb like some detested cur. And I can't say that I blame him. This is the one time he really, really needed god in his corner. And to be honest, situations like this are where god can really demonstrate his faithfulness to his people. And yet, stuff like this goes down, just like it randomly does for anyone. Not much of a value proposition there.

My brother was the very picture of a simple, good, earnest man of faith with complete trust in his god. I am fortunate that I do not believe in his god, as if I did, I'd have to be rather put out with him, to say the least.
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Comfort in Faith at Death - by Shell B - June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death - by Godscreated - July 12, 2019 at 1:49 am
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