(August 5, 2019 at 11:11 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: @Abaddon_ire
1. Not an isolate organism, but an isolated organ. And by off-line I mean from a specific functional system. Vestigial organs are isolated from whatever function they used to have. They're off-line, and that's probably why they persist.
2. There's no strawman. Not even an attempt to represent anyone's claims on anything there. So I don't know what you're talking about.
3. Forgive me but, you're basically interrupting a conversation I'm having with Grandizer as if it were a conversation I'm having you. As long as Grandizer understood what I meant by "catching up" or the "game" then I'm good. You clearly aren't doing a good job of keeping up, and are just stepping in out the blue.
(August 5, 2019 at 10:04 pm)Grandizer Wrote: It seems to me like you're not taking into account that the eye or cone or rod or whatever is not existing in isolation from the whole organism itself. I'm not going to pretend I know all the specifics but theoretically, some traits may not be favorable for selection at all on their own, but when they're part of an organism that nevertheless has been enhanced in some other way in terms of adaptability, then the traits will carry over and be refined over time and successive generations. This is oversimplifying things but that's the gist of how this sometimes works.
Right, so that's basically what I mean by scaffolding. Cones would be isolated from selection in terms of color, but perhaps it experience selection for some other reason since its still part of the organism as a whole, keeping it in play until the brain develops enough to use of them for color vision, and experience selection under those terms.
By traits carrying over do you mean traits are adaptive for one thing, and then become adaptive for some other thing?
No I meant traits literally being carried over to the next generations regardless of their adaptive functions.
So anyway what is the problem then again? Or has your challenge been successfully met?
