Open borders

[EgoDeath]

-and again, your liberal cred does not make you immune- it makes you their target audience.

There’s no point in bickering with me about whether or not you’re a liberal.

Or, as per ll whether or not you know yourself, or are smart, or any of that shit.

Propaganda works. It doesn’t just work on dummies who don’t know themselves. It doesn’t stop working on account of liberal.

You ran off a list of things, up there. Well, there’s a contemporary white supremacist angle for all of that. They’re not the nazis out of the history books.

“I’m all of this, how could I possibly agree with them on anything or find myself in the strange position of unwittingly repeating their rhetoric!”

Well, start with the link.

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In the meantime, we can explore.

Social justice, in some form or another, is central to the dem platform. There are varying levels of commitment to it, obvs.

Contemporary white supremacy asserts itself with the language of social justice. As a minority’s group. As a group who’s speech is suppressed. As a group being targeted by radical extremists. As a group being unfairly maligned. As a group discriminated against. As a group shamed, shunned, and generally on the shit end of bias. As a group surrounded by irrational emotionally unhinged would be or actual oppressors.

Precisely because of people’s liberal values, some portion of this pulls at liberal heartstrings. The entire anti-sjw pc phenomena and language originated with white supremacist rhetoric back in the 90’s. Itself an outgrowth if civil rights era discontent.

It didn’t stay on the right, however. It made the cross. All these years later we still don’t have the race wars and the thought police, but we do have the concentration camps and domestic terrorism.

The Overton window, here, shifted for the left and the right over that span, and what was once rightly discarded as the lunatic raving of fringe white nationalists on the right has become part of the negotiation between the contemporary right and left. Turned into an industry, even. Spun off free speech appeals.

It’s gone from the cross burning to the living room. In any town, liberal or conservative, in any home, liberal or conservative.

In the same span of time that broad public acceptance of that rhetoric has increased across the board, a thing called racial apathy has increased pointedly on the left.

And what I've told you time and time again is I'm aware of such ruses and I don't buy into it. If you choose not to believe me, cool. Are you the only person not susceptible to this, but everyone else is?

I can recognize far left madness for what it is and not be alt-right. Just like I can recognize far-right madness and not have to be a pink-haired member of antifa. If a white supremacist likes Starbucks coffee and I like Starbucks coffee, does that somehow make me susceptible to the rest of his or her opinions and being persuaded to see things their way? No. The difference is, the only truly conservative opinion you can say I hold is on guns. And even then I fall wau short of the mark of having a conservative opinion. I actually want gun control. Conservatives don't.

You seem to live in a very black and white world. Nuance is not a weapon of the alt-right, it's a function of common sense. We have to allow nuanced opinions if we want honest discussion. Someone does not have to check every single box that you so see fit in order to be immune to the alt-right nonsense. You don't seem to get this.

That I incorrectly used the term open border does not mean I'm regurgitating alt-right rhetoric. You never even cared to ask what it is that I actually believe.

This sort of witch-hunting bullshit that the left (and right) does is exactly why we have Trump as President right now.

I honestly feel sorry for you. You live in a very dim world. The reality is, the vast majority of people are not racial supremacists and never will be. Do people hold damaging opinions on race and have prejudicial thoughts? Sure, and those should be challenged when they're seen and exposed for the nonsensical thoughts that they are.

But throwing the alt-right sticker on anyone who has an opinion that may be similar to what some conservatives think is no way to interact with other humans and is no way to start, hold or end a political conversation. You must be fun at parties.

The difference is, I see through your bullshit. If other people here don't... Not my problem. Do you think I actually care what some asshole in Kentucky, or anywhere else thinks about my political views? The only reason I'm even still part of this conversation is that so maybe you might realize that, politically, I'm probably much more on your side than you think.

As far as ideas, I'm very much aligned with Libertarian Socialism. Functionally, I'd consider myself a Democrat. I'm not this boogey man you try to make me out to be. Nor am I susceptible to the ruses of the real boogey men and women. You can't be scammed by the Indian call centers when you know Microsoft doesn't call you when your computer has a virus.