RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
September 24, 2019 at 10:02 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2019 at 11:42 pm by mordant.)
(September 23, 2019 at 5:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Ok, which scholars say that the "authentics" were a mashup of shorter letters, and that people in those days did not write such stem winding letters? I'd like to see their reasoning for this.
Carrier mentions it:
"Each full letter named in the New Testament actually contains pieces of several letters, whose full content and original destination are now lost (see OHJ, p. 511). Sometimes so badly connected up as to be nearly unintelligible (e.g. the transition between 1 Cor. 8 and 9: OHJ, pp. 582-83)."
"OHJ" refers to Carrier's own book, "On the Historicity of Jesus".
Here's the link (the context is he's arguing for the historicity of Paul, and the correctness of the attribution of the "authentics" and their likely being authored in the 50s):
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7643
(I was a bit surprised to find Carrier, a Jesus mythicist, arguing for the historicity of Paul. One wag on another forum said it's because he needs Paul to be authentic since part of his mythicist argument hinges on Paul; but I don't find his reasoning very strained at all, either for the mythical Jesus or the historic Paul).
This notion of the Pauline epistles being "mash ups" is not unique to Carrier. For example here's a South African theologian named Jordaan discussing the reasons for supposing that Paul at least wrote 2 Corinthians in pieces over a longer period of time, although I think Carrier's curated solution makes more sense. Jordaan also references several other writers over the past couple of centuries who have had similar views:
https://indieskriflig.org.za/index.php/s.../1783/2900
