Muslim students less likely to be awarded top class degrees.

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The original article contained what the researchers thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/20...ss-degrees

It suggested that differences in students’ backgrounds and experiences, differences in treatment from staff and other students, and “barriers specifically associated with religious observation” could all play a part in explaining the attainment gap.

As a Muslim, I never experienced being surrounded by non-Muslims except in this forum, the effects of the propaganda carried out towards Muslims is explosive and damaging beyond extent; it's hard to study and focus on knowledge when everybody around you judges you just for the mere belonging to Muslim family, your concentration will be shattered between your studies and between the looks of anybody around.

When you're a suspect before even a crime happens; you get into that state.
Aside from the very sad situation in the Muslim homeland.

Jews are better in their studies because they face no harassment. Siekhs and Hindus are probably mistaken for being Muslims; so they also get hammered by the propaganda against Muslims.

Studying and achieving needs a calm, friendly environment. Muslims don't get that, they get accused just for being Muslim.

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From the Guardian. No link but it's easy enough to find.


Yes no doubt, there must be no end of variables involved but this:


Appears to be in conflict with this:


WTF? I eagerly await an explanation for this from our Muslim colleagues.


Every picture tells a story.

Does the research factor in other socioeconomic factors? 

For example, it may be (I don't know) that Muslim students are more likely to be immigrants or the children of immigrants. They may well be at a disadvantage in their primary education. Likewise, they may be living in poorer areas with lots of immigrants, or lower tax bases, in the schools aren't as good. 

Peter Hitchens has written a lot about how in the bad old days high schools could select students by merit, but the new system means that kids in rich areas, or kids with very rich parents, have clear advantages.

I don't know... I'm just thinking we should look at likely factors apart from religion.

When I went to high school in a totally podunk town with a barely-functioning high school, I was told that it's impossible to study for the SAT entrance exam. Then I got to New York and all the rich kids said they had been taking SAT prep courses for years before the exam. They had full-time counsellors and special tutoring included in their schools. They had full time placement officers in their high schools whose job it was to get them into the best college. 

Some of those kids were genuinely smarter than me, but some of them weren't -- they were the kids of rich parents who had their hands held all through college, who did the minimum amount of work anyway, and got great jobs out of college because of connections. They were generous with their cocaine, though, as a way of having us not hate them.

Anyway, there need to be many other things factored in to such a study.

I'm sorry to read about your past troubles.

As a Muslim, our region is drenched in pure poverty, lack of future, etc. We mainly look forward to an immigration chance to a western country so we live. I don't think academics would be our concern, but how to get work so we gain cash enough for us to survive.

You can see a glimpse of that in the immigrants boarding the death-boats to the borders of Europe, or the Millions of Syrians crossing to Turkey then Europe.

But yes. Rich, well-rest students are of course at an advantage. Only bigots would fail to see due to bigotry and ignoring of facts.

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Jews who are mostly only culturally Jewish (they don't exactly believe in burning bush and flood)

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Because if you have a lot of faith in nonsense from holy books,  you have to spend a lot of mental energy every day to rationalize those nonsensical things in order so that they appear to you as "real" in face of actuall reality, so you don't have enough mental energy left to do the real thinking and learning.

This is a mistake you make all the time. You assume that all religious people are literalist sola scriptura. This is ignorance on your part, and the reason you won't learn otherwise appears to be bigotry. 

There are many religious Jews -- to whom their religion is very important -- who don't read the burning bush and flood as literal historical events. The non-literal reading has a long history, is well known, and people who, unlike you, know what they're talking about have no problem with it.

Likewise educated Muslims don't have to waste time rationalizing myths and wasting their mental energy.

You're the one wasting mental energy by making false and prejudiced assumptions about a huge and diverse group of people.

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It appears that the study was pointing out THAT Muslim students fail to be awarded degrees and not WHY this is the case.

Boru

It appears that some of our fellow posters are happy to ignore that part, and draw whatever conclusion they want. In the case above, that conclusion is his usual "religious people dumb."

Ignore poor FM; he's a bigot repeating the same message over and over and over. Sometimes I feel he is a bot.

He is not wasting "his" energy; but seeking to waste yours, so watch out.