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[Serious] How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue?
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RE: How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue?
(April 4, 2020 at 1:35 am)Mr Greene Wrote: It is utterly irrelevant what they called themselves.

What's relevant to me is how they drew the boundaries among things like [what we would call] science, justification for government sovereignty, necessary social conduct. In our time we can conceive of these things independently of [what we call] religion. 

Quote:When Da Gama first encountered them they were introduced as 'Krishnas' and claiming the Hinduism isn't a religion is utterly absurd.

You know that Vasco da Gama wasn't the first European to encounter people from India, right? He was the first to use a sea route (that we know of) but exchanges of ideas had been going on for a very long time. He was in the 15th century, and you started out by talking about cavemen, so you seem to be somewhat unfocused in your time frame here. 

The way Western people think of Hinduism as a religion -- as some sort of unified system of thought --- was imposed on a diverse variety of traditions and ideas by colonizers. 

If you want to call it a religion, OK. I think that "religion" is one of those Wittgenstein words that has no definition. But it's possible to be atheist and Hindu, so it may be wise to be careful. 

Quote:Do you honestly think they didn't realise the Achaeminids, Macedonians, or the Chinese had different beliefs?

Of course they knew. What thing have you imagined about me to make you think that I don't know that? Anyway, you've galloped a long way from cavemen. 

I'm honestly not sure what you're arguing about here. It seems almost entirely unrelated to what I've said. Are you at all understanding the point I'm making about how different people in different ages categorize things differently? 

To repeat the point: what we call secularity becomes possible only when people begin to separate a category called religion from other things in their culture. In some cultures, ideas of government, social rituals, education, and health care were not separable, conceptually. In those cultures, the idea of a secular sphere wouldn't make sense. 

Anyway, this is cut down from the Wikipedia page on Hinduism:

Quote:To its adherents, Hinduism is a traditional way of life.[64] Many practitioners refer to the "orthodox" form of Hinduism as [i][i]Sanātana Dharma[/i], "the eternal law" or the "eternal way".[65][66] The Sanskrit word dharma has a much broader meaning than religion and is not its equivalent. All aspects of a Hindu life, namely acquiring wealth (artha), fulfillment of desires (kama), and attaining liberation (moksha), are part of dharma, which encapsulates the "right way of living" and eternal harmonious principles in their fulfillment.[67][68][/i]
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To many Hindus, the Western term "religion" to the extent it means "dogma and an institution traceable to a single founder" is inappropriate for their tradition, states Hatcher. Hinduism, to them, is a tradition that can be traced at least to the ancient Vedic era.[70][71][note 12]
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The term Vaidika dharma means a code of practice that is "based on the Vedas", but it is unclear what "based on the Vedas" really implies, states Julius Lipner.[71] The Vaidika dharma or "Vedic way of life", states Lipner, does not mean "Hinduism is necessarily religious" or that Hindus have a universally accepted "conventional or institutional meaning" for that term.[71] To many, it is as much a cultural term. Many Hindus do not have a copy of the Vedas nor have they ever seen or personally read parts of a Veda, like a Christian might relate to the Bible or a Muslim might to the Quran. Yet, states Lipner, "this does not mean that their [Hindus] whole life's orientation cannot be traced to the Vedas or that it does not in some way derive from it".[71]
Many religious Hindus implicitly acknowledge the authority of the Vedas, this acknowledgment is often "no more than a declaration that someone considers himself [or herself] a Hindu." Some Hindus challenge the authority of the Vedas, thereby implicitly acknowledging its importance to the history of Hinduism, states Lipner.[71]


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The definition of Hinduism in Indian Law is: "Acceptance of the Vedas with reverence; recognition of the fact that the means or ways to salvation are diverse; and realization of the truth that the number of gods to be worshipped is large".[95][31][page needed]

The term Hinduism is coined in Western ethnography in the 18th century,[43][96] and refers to the fusion[note 3] or synthesis[note 4][6] of various Indian cultures and traditions.[7][note 5] which emerged after the Vedic period, between 500[10]–200[11] BCE and c. 300 CE,[10] the beginning of the "Epic and Puranic" c.q. "Preclassical" period.[10][11]
Hinduism's tolerance to variations in belief and its broad range of traditions make it difficult to define as a religion according to traditional Western conceptions.[99]
Some academics suggest that Hinduism can be seen as a category with "fuzzy edges" rather than as a well-defined and rigid entity. Some forms of religious expression are central to Hinduism and others, while not as central, still remain within the category. Based on this idea Ferro-Luzzi has developed a 'Prototype Theory approach' to the definition of Hinduism.[100]

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Part of the problem with a single definition of the term Hinduism is the fact that Hinduism does not have a founder.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#cite_note-121][104]It is a synthesis of various traditions,[105] the "Brahmanical orthopraxy, the renouncer traditions and popular or local traditions".[97]
Theism is also difficult to use as a unifying doctrine for Hinduism, because while some Hindu philosophies postulate a theistic ontology of creation, other Hindus are or have been atheists.[106]
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RE: How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue? - by Belacqua - April 4, 2020 at 4:54 am

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