Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 30, 2025, 4:17 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
[Serious] Care to Seriously Consider the Existance of a Creator (God)?
#72
RE: Care to Seriously Consider the Existance of a Creator (God)?
(April 26, 2020 at 4:48 pm)theMadJW Wrote: Then tell us HOW they assembled themselves so very well ...on their own!

I'm curious how the Jehovah Witnesses describe the creator God. Is he like an individual, separate from other individuals? Does he make decisions, pull the levers of power, etc.?

I ask because there seems to be a variety of views among Christians. It may be fair, though, to group these roughly into two general types. 

The first type is what I've described -- God is a thinking changing individual, who makes decisions and creates as artisans do. "I think I'll make it so that parallel lines never meet, but I might change that later." This being operates somewhat like Plato's Demiurge, as described in the Timaeus

The second type is the one that all the major theologians hold to. Any theologian you can name from history, they don't agree with the type described above. For them, God (or the Second Person of the Trinity) is the Logos. This is a Greek word translated as "word" in John 1, but has a much wider meaning. It is used in the same way in Stoic and Neoplatonic, etc., philosophy.

The Logos is all of the principles and regularities of the world. It is the laws of nature and of logic. 

When people here object that no God is necessary because nature obeys the laws of nature, they are arguing against the first, Demiurgic type of God. But, again, theologians don't believe in that type. For them, God is the non-physical sustainer of 1) being, and 2) the operations of being. If a self-organizing system can self-organize, it is because 1) the parts of that system are held in being continually by God, and 2) the principles and laws by which it organizes are God -- not decreed by God like tyrranical laws, but an aspect of God himself. 

Does any of this sound familiar or right to you?
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Care to Seriously Consider the Existance of a Creator (God)? - by Belacqua - April 26, 2020 at 5:34 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Creator God Gets to Make the Rules zwanzig 25 4039 August 6, 2023 at 3:59 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Why does God care about S E X? zwanzig 83 10478 November 15, 2021 at 10:57 pm
Last Post: LadyForCamus
  God as a non-creator Fake Messiah 13 2657 January 21, 2020 at 8:36 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Are there any theists here who think God wants, or will take care of, Global Warming? Duty 16 4798 January 19, 2020 at 11:50 am
Last Post: Smedders
  Why We don't take your Holy Scriptures Seriously vulcanlogician 75 11495 October 25, 2018 at 5:15 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Look i don't really care if you believe or don't believe Ronia 20 9901 August 25, 2017 at 4:28 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  If there is a creator, so what? robvalue 334 47486 November 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Last Post: philadelphialawyer
Information You must seek something else, or something is seriously wrong with you WinterHold 23 4763 August 7, 2016 at 7:52 am
Last Post: chimp3
  Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) Veritas_Vincit 166 30195 June 30, 2016 at 1:00 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens? MentalGiant 61 18985 September 19, 2015 at 11:06 pm
Last Post: Salacious B. Crumb



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)