Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 27, 2024, 7:34 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain
#51
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain
Quote: I feel you are kind of cheating here by creating a false distinction. If you are a naturalist, which I believe you are, you cannot make a distinction between physical capacity & abilities and mental capacity & abilities as you have done here.

I don't feel I did made any distinction (let alone a false one) between the two. I explained how certain mental abilities would be required to learn/develop calculus (And in my first post, language), and how they allow for calculus, rather than calculus being the ability selected for. Never did I compare or contrast mental abilities/capacity to physical abilities/capacity, I never even really touched on physical abilities whatsoever.

Actually, the same would go for specific physical abilities.

Quote: Evolutionally animals could not gain the physical ability to do something that is not providing a survival advantage. Since mental ability is determined by the chemical interactions in the brain (from a naturalistic perspective) this cannot be an exception to the observed rule. Humans’ mental ability to do something and actually doing that very thing would have to occur simultaneously according to Darwinian Theory.

Linking back to you're original example of music, lets talk about physically playing a particular musical instrument, lets take the piano (or substitute any instrument you want).

Natural selection wasn't selecting for piano playing. What allows us to physically play a piano is a number of broad physical abilities. The ability to sit down as we can, fine motor control, the ability to flex and extend our arms in the manner required, arguably some combination of senses (touch, hearing, vision, proprioception...), and others. All of which are used in other activities and could conceivably be naturally, or artificially, selected for.

No-one is going to argue that natural selection selected for piano playing specifically (Now I have the image in my mind of a bunch of cavemen in tuxedos competitively playing their pianos to attract the females =P, it amuses me). It selected for physical attributes that when put together happen to allow us to play a piano.

Calculus. We have the following: Creativity, the ability to learn, memory, attention, intellect... All of these together allow the learning and invention of calculus. I'm not going to argue that calculus or physically being able to play a piano was selected for, but those broader abilities and attributes that allow for calculus and physically playing a piano, would have been.



*obviously there are also mental abilities that are needed to play pianos, but the point was about physical capabilities and how the broad attributes, such as bending/controlling limbs in a particular way allow us to do many different things, things which aren't necessarily themselves individually selected for, or selected for at all.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Rayaan - October 6, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Darth - October 7, 2011 at 1:52 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Rayaan - October 7, 2011 at 2:07 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Darth - October 15, 2011 at 7:25 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 14, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 15, 2011 at 10:59 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 14, 2011 at 8:57 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 14, 2011 at 8:49 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 24, 2011 at 7:03 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Darth - October 25, 2011 at 4:51 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 2:26 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 25, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:46 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 26, 2011 at 7:30 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 26, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 26, 2011 at 9:21 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 27, 2011 at 1:14 am
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 25, 2011 at 9:51 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 6:49 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 6:57 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 8:26 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by Shell B - October 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 26, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Calculus, Logic, Music and the Human Brain - by IATIA - October 26, 2011 at 10:09 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Man completely paralyzed by ALS asks for a beer via brain implant TaraJo 14 1577 March 26, 2022 at 12:11 pm
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  [Serious] Link between brain damage and religious fundamentalism established Fake Messiah 9 1263 November 18, 2019 at 12:14 am
Last Post: John 6IX Breezy
  Screen time and the preschool brain brewer 8 1033 November 6, 2019 at 12:15 am
Last Post: Little lunch
  The brain Drich 140 21937 May 15, 2019 at 10:23 am
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  Human brain genes in monkeys popeyespappy 5 722 April 12, 2019 at 5:21 am
Last Post: bennyboy
  Diets according to brain biologist from Russia purplepurpose 10 2177 November 15, 2018 at 6:32 pm
Last Post: Duty
  Religion Wires the Brain to Believe Nonsense Devout-Humanist 4 1298 October 17, 2018 at 3:56 pm
Last Post: Brian37
  Music Haydn2 22 3921 August 18, 2017 at 1:30 am
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  Pedophilia Brain Defect brewer 26 12244 June 8, 2017 at 5:37 pm
Last Post: WinterHold
  The connection between religion and neuropsychological processes in the human brain Aroura 9 2604 March 10, 2017 at 10:57 pm
Last Post: ignoramus



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)