(May 4, 2020 at 10:54 pm)cleansed Wrote:Not between a fatalist universe and a determinist universe. However either universe was created it would still be whatever it is. A Fatalist universe created by a god is still a fatalist universe. A determinist universe created by a god is still a determinist universe. So on and so forth.(April 28, 2020 at 7:39 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That would be fatalist universe. It's certainly true that in a fatalist universe you would either have not free will..or it wouldn't matter to outcomes if you did. The same may be true in the real universe as well, lol. Additionally, if it's true, then it's true regardless of the existence of any gods.The determining factor would be in how the Universe was created.
Quote:If it was created by blind forces, then free will is impossible.Why would that be the deciding factor? If we live in a universe where blind forces™ created free will, then it would still be a universe where free will existed, wouldn't it?
If it was created by a transcendent God, then free will is possible.
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