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Why do some people condone hell?
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
(May 17, 2020 at 4:39 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 17, 2020 at 2:43 am)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: I honestly don't know

This is an atheist web site, and nearly every one here thinks that the idea of hell is nonsense. So clearly, whatever arguments there are for the justice of hell haven't convinced anyone here.

Quote:only read the first 60 something pages of the bibble before I stopped reading it entirely

Do the first 60 pages mention anything about hell? The Old Testament talks about Sheol a little bit, but I don't think that's in the first bit. 

Anyway, the Bible isn't the only thing that Christians have written. Their ideas about hell conform more or less to some things in the New Testament, but these passages are surprisingly ambiguous. Even the part you quote, about eternal fires, has been interpreted by some Christians to mean that the fires last forever, but that no one stays in the fires all that time. 

The image of hell that you describe, as fiery eternal punishment, may be the popular view, but that doesn't mean it is the only one. Nor is it necessarily believed in by all Christians. They also have noticed that eternal punishment may be unreasonably harsh, and have debated it more or less from the beginning. 

A modern view is that since people have free will, they have the ability to reject every good thing in the world. Actively turning against everything good means that they have chosen everything bad. In this view, God doesn't send people there as punishment -- people have chosen it. Other modern Christians agree with earlier Christians, who thought that hell would be like Sheol -- temporary purgation. Or they just don't believe in it at all, because most ideas about it actually come from the Middle Ages, and have only tenuous support from the Bible itself. 

Protestant mystics, like Blake and Boehme, say that hell is a state one can be in. An improvement in perception gets one out. This has roots in Neoplatonism, both Christian and non.

I think that this site is not the best place to learn about these things. There is a long and complicated literature on the subject.

Most - if not all - of the ‘long and complicated’ literature regarding Hell seems to consist of theologians and philosophers trying to convince each other that it’s really not that bad.

This is a perfectly understandable tack for them to take. Otherwise, they’d have to accept that they’re worshiping a Being of such petty vindictiveness that it thinks the eternal torture of sentient corpses for finite transgressions somehow amounts to ‘justice’.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by no one - May 17, 2020 at 3:11 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 17, 2020 at 4:39 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 17, 2020 at 9:58 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by brewer - May 17, 2020 at 9:49 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by purplepurpose - May 17, 2020 at 11:51 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by brewer - May 17, 2020 at 11:53 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 17, 2020 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by AFTT47 - May 17, 2020 at 2:15 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 17, 2020 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 18, 2020 at 5:19 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 18, 2020 at 6:28 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 17, 2020 at 7:58 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 18, 2020 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 19, 2020 at 12:25 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 19, 2020 at 12:43 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 19, 2020 at 6:47 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 19, 2020 at 8:13 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 19, 2020 at 9:55 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by arewethereyet - May 19, 2020 at 10:17 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 19, 2020 at 11:30 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Gwaithmir - May 19, 2020 at 8:40 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 19, 2020 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by downbeatplumb - May 22, 2020 at 10:45 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 20, 2020 at 1:11 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 21, 2020 at 10:47 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 21, 2020 at 3:37 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 21, 2020 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Mister Agenda - May 22, 2020 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 22, 2020 at 6:14 pm

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