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Why do some people condone hell?
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
(May 18, 2020 at 6:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This guy is misleading. 

I am against the death penalty, but not for the reasons he is falsely assuming everyone against it is against it for all the same reasons.

 Are there evil people that in a perfect world would that would be the only people convicted? No.

My objection to the death penalty isn't to say even a murder's life is worth the same as a jaywalker. NO.

My objection to it, is because we do not live in a perfect system, innocent people can and are convicted. In my college years I took a journalism class, and during that semester I met a white guy, middle age, who spoke at our college, who was wrongfully convicted and years later set free. Another time I spoke over the phone with a death row inmate, and the only evidence for his crime, because he was not in for murder, but another inmate died, and it is common for inmates to lie to prison authorities to gain favors while in prison. In that case it was nothing but a he said he said. In both cases the evidence wasn't even close to circumstantial. 

Even with other crimes. Not just murder, if you cannot afford a private lawyer, you are stuck with a public defender, and they have very heavy caseloads and do not have the time to spend with each defendant. So quite often the accuse will plead out, even if they don't want to to avoid a harsher punishment in trial. Prosecution budgets swamp public defenders budgets. So  basically, unless you are rich, you are behind the eightball from the start, even if you are innocent. And just on taxpayers issues alone, it costs more to prosecute a death penalty case than to simply give the person life in prison. 

But, the biggest reason I am against the death penalty is that it disproportionately hurts the poor who do not have the money to mount a defense.



Did Ted Bundy deserve death? YES. But this isn't about one man, but our long term system. What about the other guy, who is innocent but just simply looked like the real killer? What about the fact that even DNA labs in the past have lied about numbers to gain contracts from a over zealous prosecutor who had political aspirations. Those things have happened in American history. 

The point is not to have sympathy for the truly evil or guilty. But to value the principle that it is better to let 10 guilty go free than to convict one innocent person. And once the state kills someone you cant bring them back if they are innocent. 
And so we have the gist of Shaun's video that led me to the PragerU video he was debunking.


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RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by no one - May 17, 2020 at 3:11 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 17, 2020 at 4:39 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by brewer - May 17, 2020 at 9:49 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by purplepurpose - May 17, 2020 at 11:51 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by brewer - May 17, 2020 at 11:53 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 17, 2020 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by AFTT47 - May 17, 2020 at 2:15 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 17, 2020 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 18, 2020 at 5:19 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 18, 2020 at 6:28 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 17, 2020 at 7:58 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 18, 2020 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 19, 2020 at 12:25 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 19, 2020 at 12:43 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 19, 2020 at 6:47 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 19, 2020 at 8:13 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 19, 2020 at 9:55 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by arewethereyet - May 19, 2020 at 10:17 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Succubus#2 - May 19, 2020 at 11:30 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Gwaithmir - May 19, 2020 at 8:40 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Brian37 - May 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Belacqua - May 19, 2020 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by downbeatplumb - May 22, 2020 at 10:45 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 20, 2020 at 1:11 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 19, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 21, 2020 at 10:47 am
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Drich - May 21, 2020 at 3:37 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Fake Messiah - May 21, 2020 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Mister Agenda - May 22, 2020 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why do some people condone hell? - by Rev. Rye - May 22, 2020 at 6:14 pm

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