God Exists

[Abaddon_ire]

You think that god created me, but it remains a fact that I'm an atheist...I don't believe in or have any gods at all.

What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.

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Part of the definition of Superman is that he is a fictional character.

You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

Straight off the WLC crib sheet.

Last time I saw this it was a fourteen year old kid who called in to the Atheist Experience. He got Matt Dilahunty. And got demolished.

This kid is the very same.

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If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

Let's play.

If god exists, then he/she/it/housecat would be...

Maximally powerful? well there is a problem there because the bible claims god is all powerful so you are thereby claiming the bible is wrong. And if god is not all-powerful then he/she/it/housecat is not perfect so again you challenge your magic book.

Necessary? Why? That is a non-sequitur. What if god does exist but did not create the universe? Maybe he merely stumbled across it. After all, your magic book states that he/she/it/housecat struggled to navigate a fucking garden that he made. Oh and remember the Exodus? God was so navigationally challenged the he/she/it/housecat turned a one week march following the coastline into forty fucking years wandering the desert. Good argument for why god is male. Too stubborn to ask for directions.

Immaterial? If true then couldn't interact with the material world. Unless you want to special plead your way out of that problem which you likely will.

Omniscient? According to your magic book, not remotely. There are so many examples in the bible where god is dumber than a box of rocks that I struggle to believe that you actually read any of it.

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This is a very long-winded cop-out. You claimed that there are logical contradictions in the definition of God and I'm asking you what they are. I'm giving you the ball.

There are the paradoxes that come with omnipotence; like making a rock so heavy the omnipotent creator can't lift it; or creating a being even more powerful. At this point apologists usually retreat to omnipotence as the ability to do anything that's logically possible; can't square a circle or be a married bachelor or make a rock it can't lift or make something more powerful than itself.

Personally, I think it's more significant that omniscience and omnipotence contradict each other. An omnipotent being necessarily has free will; it must be able to do anything it wants to, else why call it omnipotent? But an omniscient being that can foresee the future can't do anything it hasn't foreseen, else it's not really omniscient. The Muslims usually limit God's omniscience rather than God's omnipotence, Allah can know anything it wants to; but Allah doesn't know everything all the time. In that respect, Allah's 'omniscience' is part of Allah's omnipotence. I'm always interested in seeing which leg of theodicy tripod apologists will cut short trying to justify their deity's omni-power. Drich for instance, shortens the leg of omnibenevolence.

He is going for the shortening of the omnipotence leg of the tripod. The term "maximally powerful" was Craigs contrivance which he then wrapped into Kalam.

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Now that I think of it, Kalam has interestingly evolved, ironically.

It started off rather a simple syllogism.

P1. Everything that exists has a cause.

P2. The universe exists.

C. The universe had a cause.

This caused a theological problem because that meant that god must have a cause as well and then it's turtles all the way down.

So a word or two was added to P1 and P2.

P1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

P2. The universe began to exist.

C. The universe had a cause.

Which special pleads god out of that problem, being eternal and all. But wait, isn't that a claim about the properties of god? you might ask? How do you know god is eternal?

Ah but god is defined as eternal. 

And so on and so forth in eye-watering illogic.