RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 8:22 am
(This post was last modified: June 14, 2020 at 8:37 am by UtilitarianDeist.)
(June 13, 2020 at 2:31 pm)Grandizer Wrote: What did I miss earlier? Premise 1 seems false to me. And how does accepting this premise as true make you a deist exactly?
Saying premise 1 is false is not the same thing as saying that I am saying that God exists just because most people are theists. The former is another matter and the latter is what I was falsely accused of but something I never actually said. I didn't make an Argumentum ad populum fallacy but I was strawmanned so it looked like I was to those who weren't paying attention. Absolutely not attributing any intention and saying that the guy did it on purpose, though.
It's starting to seem like what people want is me to give an argument for God's existence. Is that correct? If so, I can do that, but it will take a long time. First I'll have to argue for other things that most people would consider not uncontroversial. Those things would then make arguing for God's existence possible. Without those things it isn't possible ...... hence why so many theists fail so horribly to do it.
(June 13, 2020 at 2:31 pm)Grandizer Wrote: And how does accepting this premise as true make you a deist exactly?
Premise 1 doesn't make me a deist. I haven't given an argument for my deism. That was my whole point. I was being responded to as if I was arguing for God's existence but I wasn't doing that.
(June 13, 2020 at 2:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Presuppositional theism.
Nope. More assumptions laid on me when I haven't given any sort of presuppositional argument for God.
Just because I've assumed that God exists during this argument doesn't mean that I have to assume that God exists to make sense of my worldview. Nor does it mean that I think that you have to assume that God exists to make sense of any sort of evidence at all--which is what the presupposionalist says, but what they're really doing is just committing a special pleading fallacy. Just because I haven't given an argument for God's existence doesn't mean I can't. And just because I am assuming God's existence in this argument doesn't mean that I think we have to do that to make sense of any evidence. I don't think that. If God doesn't exist then evidence for things can be made sense of just fine. It would just mean I was wrong about my desim.
(June 13, 2020 at 9:16 am)Eleven Wrote:(June 13, 2020 at 6:22 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: Yes they are.
Nope.
My God is just an infinitely powerful infinite mind. That's something that Christians, Muslims and Jews all believe in. They just get more specific than I do.
(June 13, 2020 at 9:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(June 13, 2020 at 6:22 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: Yes they are.
Define god.
An infinitely powerful infinite mind.
