[Serious] Christians what would change your mind?

[Xaventis]

I'm not a Christian.

OK (a little hard to tell if your badge says "Religious Views: Um..."). Why do you feel to be a expert on this subject then? The question is for Christians. Is it not it presumptuous of you to know better then christians what christians think (on your own logic)?

Earlier you said you were interested in debate, but if you're not going to address the real claims made by intelligent Christians then you're not debating seriously. Lots of exclamation points don't help.

What a bizarre thing to say.
This is the first question and now I await a response from a christian. This is how debate works.

You sure emulate a christian really good by coming up with nonsense words like a real christian. The "muh experts" is not a real argument considering that these experts behave as crazy as you can get. My favorite christian expert is the one who wasted a hour of debate on the subject of "did jesus resurrect from the dead?" on talking about "is the supernatural real ?" are these your "experts" you want to stand on? What was more there? The broken and paranoid schizophrenic Blaze Pascal? Yes smart people have mental break downs. What about the atheist scientist who after seeing 3 frozen waterfalls did have a epiphany and realized the trinity and became a christian? Are these your experts? What about the guy who talks to god and god told him to write gods operating system? Was an atheist then god started talking to him. Its named schizophrenia.

of exclamation points don't help.

Since you are not a christian I explain the things you don't know about. You implied that god can not do these things, something that destroys 99.99999% of modern Christians and is something they will never accept. I'm not really interested in debating the god concept of that one smart guy who did have a nervous breakdown and is a paranoid schizophrenic now who is talking to god and his god concept is something totally alien to 99.9999999999% of all Christians. They can hang out with the time cube guy.

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Dangerous hippy mindset...hmmm.

Interesting comment.  Skepticism still on full alert.

Yep. I don't know how to name it otherwise. everyone should be interested in what is true and what is not and this is my stance. Basically lies and falsehoods need to be countered. I can explain further if you are interested.

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I sort of disagree with this. From my reading, some of the people you listed did believe in the kind of God that came down to earth in flesh and interacted with people in human/"superhuman" ways. But perhaps I've been mistaken about them. I'm thinking Augustine and Aquinas specifically. Did they not believe in the Incarnation in a literal sense?

This is a valid objection.
However I designed the question in a way to not be sidetracked by christian subject changes, you notice that now the debate turns into "did Augustine and Aquinas actually believe that God came down to earth in flesh? "

I welcome all religions and god concepts its not on me to know what is in the head of religionists( I think I figured out 99.9999% of them) they are welcome to come with whatever god concept they want; and tell me how it can be falsified.

God the mindless force that holds the universe together? Lets go!
God the particle? Lets go!

If it can be falsified then tell me how.


Its a simple question and staying on point is the most important part.

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I'm not a Christian and never believed in the Bible, but history is replete with examples of Christians who decided that the Bible was false because it didn't agree with their beliefs or otherwise got in the way. Many simply "reinterpret" or ignore the inconvenient bits but sometimes they're too problematic so they chuck the whole lot out and go with their whatever their faith cooks up. King James I chucked out a couple of books when he got tired of beheading wives. Joseph Smith left he entire lot behind when he cooked up his own scripture, give or take the bits he stole.

This is a very important observation.
I know hat there is the verbal folklore of christieanity and what the bible actually says.
I also know that prophets/leaders will simply throw out or change the bible to fit whatever they are saying and most christians don't really really take the bible seriously.

For modern drama check out the NIV who decided to change numerical errors from the KJV to not make the bible ridiculous and also simply removed passages they did not like we are talking the bible passages go like this 1 2 3 7 8 9 (oh the drama this creates).

For fun trolling check this out the protestants threw out 7 books from the original bible.
Original bible 73 books
-7 = 66 books (66?! THE number of the BEAST! SATAN!) (use this to troll christians)

And they did not like the 7 books because they talk about infant baptism and the existence of purgatory.
It was always like this in religion the OT texts also have remnants of things that got removed see leviathan

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However challenging the whole christian thing is important.