RE: Christians what would change your mind?
August 11, 2020 at 7:14 am
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2020 at 7:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 10, 2020 at 5:40 pm)tackattack Wrote:I don't know that I can get on board with all observation being personal and subjective - but it seems like the above is a long way to say no - you don't believe that any possible criticism of god or god belief is true. Just an opinion. Under that view, god skullfucking your neighbors kids isn't a god problem, it's a me problem. That's one hell of a position to have cornered yourself in.(August 10, 2020 at 3:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Earlier, we were told that the baggage was our problem. I'm interested...is it inconceivable to our resident christians that any person could have any problem with their god which doesn't reduce to a personal problem?
It is very conceivable and likely that there is both systemic anti-theism and personal anti-theism for many atheists. The reasons for these are as wide as the sea as there are unlimited potential to what we can think.
However, as observation is completely personal and subjective I would say that all belief reduce to some degree to a personal belief and thus a personal problem. Specifically with relation to a personal God and a personal relationship with said God. You may gain some traction and fidelity by agreeing that IFBs are normally racist and hateful people at a broader sense. I would even pass on the agrumentum ad populum. I might even whole heartily agree with the assessment and share the view. The point was that the sum of your reasons equate to Religion=Bad. The sum of my reasons equate to Religion=good. The only real conversation are what color are the lenses both of us use o come up with such differing opinions.
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It's useful to remember that anti-theism is not anti-religion. I think that your god is bad, not that religion is bad. If you're willing to reduce these statements to mere opinion, a personal problem, that would be a rather specific view of moral statements that we disagree on, not whether religion is good or bad (which, frankly, would be meaningless under that view of moral statements). Is your desire to shield a god from criticism so great that you would burn the moral field to the ground rather than be in the position of having to (potentially) agree that your god is bad?
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