RE: Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?
August 13, 2020 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2020 at 2:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well...you don't have a life if you're a slave - the guy who owns you has a life, he bought it.
Here again, you're alleging something thoroughly absurd. The only people that slavery even could have been a social safety net for, were the slavers. When a slaver was old, or sick, or infirm - his slaves would be used to keep him alive. When a slave became old...or sick..or infirm....... I'm sure that slaveowners could get attached to their human cattle just like they could get attached to actual cattle, but no livestock operation is known for it's overabundance of kindness and care for unprofitable animals*.
If you want to weigh the instrumental good of slavery against the moral evil of slavery, then we can do that...but if you want to argue the instrumental good of a social safety net against the moral evil of slavery, we can do that. False equivalencies won't help to accomplish either.
The answer to that q today appears to be no. We do have a social safety net, and we don't accept slavery as a means to maintain it. If it did take slavery to maintain our social safety net..I hope, we would decline to do so. That's what people are banking on when they argue that taxation is theft and we should get rid of medicare, for example. They're hoping to land with a similar false equivalence to your own, and going the other way with it.
*if you want to get really familiar with the spirit and reality of slavery, read a commercial livestock production manual and practice until you can talk about people like they were chickens or pigs or horses or cattle or oxen or tractors.... - because that's what it was, not a fucking safety net, lol. Depending on the society and the place in time, you could get a better price for any of those than you could a person, even.
Here again, you're alleging something thoroughly absurd. The only people that slavery even could have been a social safety net for, were the slavers. When a slaver was old, or sick, or infirm - his slaves would be used to keep him alive. When a slave became old...or sick..or infirm....... I'm sure that slaveowners could get attached to their human cattle just like they could get attached to actual cattle, but no livestock operation is known for it's overabundance of kindness and care for unprofitable animals*.
If you want to weigh the instrumental good of slavery against the moral evil of slavery, then we can do that...but if you want to argue the instrumental good of a social safety net against the moral evil of slavery, we can do that. False equivalencies won't help to accomplish either.
The answer to that q today appears to be no. We do have a social safety net, and we don't accept slavery as a means to maintain it. If it did take slavery to maintain our social safety net..I hope, we would decline to do so. That's what people are banking on when they argue that taxation is theft and we should get rid of medicare, for example. They're hoping to land with a similar false equivalence to your own, and going the other way with it.
*if you want to get really familiar with the spirit and reality of slavery, read a commercial livestock production manual and practice until you can talk about people like they were chickens or pigs or horses or cattle or oxen or tractors.... - because that's what it was, not a fucking safety net, lol. Depending on the society and the place in time, you could get a better price for any of those than you could a person, even.
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