RE: Sinning, as Jesus and the church say, is good. Turn or burn Christians.
September 21, 2020 at 1:28 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2020 at 1:39 pm by Greatest I am.)
(September 21, 2020 at 12:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:1 I see what I put as logical and reasoned facts.(September 21, 2020 at 12:38 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Not the second last because we do not sin or do evil to others if not competing.
When we cooperate, there is no harm, lose, sin or evil.
1 These two things sound like your beliefs, not facts.
2 We do evil to people that we're in no competition with, for anything.
3 We manage to do evil when we cooperate, and we manage to do the greatest evil -by- coopertion.....but...if this is the sort of thing that you're talking about with sin or evil let's just call it evil.
4 Sin is (supposed to be) the thing that compels us to evil, not the specific evil, or any given circumstance of evil.
2 Give a couple of examples. I might be able to deal with them. I say might because you are a bright guy. I hope you are not thinking theft or other things I can easily refute.
3 What great evil do you see when we cooperate?
I see evil when we compete, including military competitions, as a loser will think evil has befallen him.
"Sin is (supposed to be) the thing that compels us to evil, not the specific evil, or any given circumstance of evil."
Jesus took that further and said to even just think of a sin was a sin. I have done a lot of sinning in my mind. Not nearly as much in reality.
I do not agree with him particularly on this thought sin or thought crime thing. It is handy to mentally "sin" to form proofs of concept.
Regards
DL
(September 21, 2020 at 1:04 pm)Sal Wrote:(September 21, 2020 at 11:44 am)Greatest I am Wrote: I don't either and use evil when speaking of what we are all born to do to each other thanks to being evolving creatures.
That harming or doing evil to the losers of those competitions is what the loser must suffer.
Not a lot of harm these days with our safety nets, --- but in the old days when they had none, --- you or I winning when we compete could have the loser starve to death.
Regards
DL
Interesting.
If sin is used in that manner, that is as divorced from Christian theology's 'sin' as to put it on another planet, orbiting a different star, in another galaxy, at the other end of the Cosmos.
I acknowledge the term 'sin' in Gnostic Christianity then.
I usually use an analog of a particular instance from the opposite of compassion. I.e. acts of harm where they aren't warranted, while distinct from malevolence. In essence, an immoral act.
However, 'sin' used in this way is still an anthropomorphism, IMO. A quite useful one, though.
As an esoteric ecumenists, I have learned to keep my definitions wide as that makes it easier for me to see and use analogies. To sin or do evil is a rather clear analogy.
I do see why atheists do not use it though as religions call many normal actions sins.
Regards
DL