RE: Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god
November 18, 2020 at 4:46 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2020 at 5:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 18, 2020 at 4:41 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Arguing that belief in gods is somehow evidence that gods have created us to believe in them, is just stupid.
Nor would it be a particularly good argument for us to believe in their religion. So what if some lonely god made me from clay to do what it says?
(November 18, 2020 at 4:45 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 18, 2020 at 4:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Regardless of whether there is a god or is not a god, the tendency of children to give purpose to natural phenomena and to imagine shit is a fact.
And this fact makes the existence of a godly imprint more probable than not. I'll just say it again, the appearance of design and of what resembles the imprints of a supreme architect everywhere around us does make his existence more probable than not.
It doesn't, but it's pointless to argue with you on articles of faith - isn't it.
None of that has anything to do with children ascribing purpose to natural phenomena. When my kids say that chickens are for laying eggs, there's no if or only if a god exists, or because a god exists.
It's a statement about chickens. They're for laying eggs. How do we know? Well, look, there they go again, laying eggs. Are chickens not for laying eggs if there is no god and no godprint, in your estimation?
Consider this alterative.
Children imagine things.
Children ascribe purpose to natural phenomena.
Children have trouble with difficult concepts, concepts like a generational natural teleology.
Because children imagine things, and because children have trouble with difficult concepts, when they seek to explain how the teleology they observe exists, they imagine a fairy that made it that way. A great and powerful fairy that..somehow, always ends up being like them. My kids could tell you aaaaaalllll about the chicken god. Whenever they tell me about any of the gods they imagine, I'm warmed by how much their expliots remind me of them....but also proud that they are communicating content about purpose to me, real or percieved. They're toying with the idea. A learning game with an imaginary friend. A friend they've never met, but describe by exploring further observations about chickens, in this case - projection and modeling. They're building a worldview. They themselves are the architects. Brains at play.
So, with semantics of probability in mind..which do you think is the more probable explanation for why my kids do that, and why they do that in that way? A brain at play - or an all powerful magician?
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