RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
February 9, 2021 at 9:15 am
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2021 at 11:04 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Latinos in this country, as in the non-white latinos, share about 65% of their genome with europeans. That's before you add the white parent that 80% of the pop explosion set to tick over has. African americans, on average, about 25% european. Again, before we add a white parent. OFC, adding a white parent in the us isn't adding a whole european, they're mixed too. However you choose to parse it, the majority of american children in the united states for most of our history and for the projected future have been and will in fact be of primarily european descent, many of them more european than any current conceptual white.
You'll have to pick a lane. Either there is no race, or some white race is being replaced. If we took your description there as equal parts of who you are, you're about as non white as any american latino, on account of irish. Your ancestors may have bought in to whiteness, but anyone can. Anyone can buy out as well...contrary to your beliefs, and it's not based on genetics in the first place, here in the us even less so than pretty much anywhere. As I mentioned before, by a narrow definition of white which has historically excluded many whites, the us has been majority non white for centuries. By an inclusive definition of whites that still excludes some whites..we'll be majority white indefinitely, so...what gives? This is all getting silly, because no amount of facts has changed your misapprehension in any way. What utility is there for you in being wrong about the great replacement, such that you'll interpret any collection of contradictory facts as being right about a great replacement? It's a pernicious myth, that's why it features so heavily in global right wing extremism, granted, but what is it doing for you? If we could answer that, we'd have part of the answer to the rise of global right wing extremism.
Extremists aren't born, they're made, and this has been a productive way to groom them, so what's the hook? What causes a non extremist to fall for something thing like this so that they can be radicalized by the notion of an existential threat that isn't there to a white race that never existed, a white race which they may or may not be a member of themselves, based on the inclusivity or exclusivity of their own description for the race and the perception of their equally race obsessed (and race fantasizing) peers? Is there some social construct that's being replaced, as we now have it? What social construct might that be? Here, at least, we may find agreement. I'd say that there may be a social construct in danger, though by no means getting replaced, at present. Starts with a w, rhymes with flower. How is it that they've made their cause your cause? Where did you pick this stuff up, and what were you looking for when you did? Did you, by chance, consume alot of the popular anti-sjw content these past few years on the interwebs? You may have been presented with it as a rational assessment, wherein the presenter (who we have no expectation of being a white supremacist or racist) purports to apply skepticism to the notion of the great replacement .....and ends up concluding that it's true. That it's..... as you put it, not the conspiracy theory part. That it's genetics. That it's just science. That it's a fact of reality. That the census demonstrates that reality.
This is scientific racism. If you simply can't get anything else out of this convo, and even if you leave it with the persistent belief in a great replacement, know that, at least. It's either a part of the realization required to leave such beliefs behind, or a piece in a better understanding of yourself. I get that some people can't shake it. My family is full of people who can't shake it. We point to ourselves as a demonstration and hide that shame behind what we insist to be an inescapable whiteness regardless of the color of our skin and which of our parents were white.....and just how white. Honestly, it sucks. Half of my family doesn't talk to the other. Lost love between brothers and sisters, husbands and wives and their families....all of it swirling around this fiction. A good deal of it swirling around their disappointment in my having failed to perpetuate it for yet another generation. Of not finding sufficiently white partners and friends to reassert and maintain our whiteness, and our proper whiteness, which was always an asserted whiteness in the first place. My current wife is barely (or not quite..depending on who you ask) white enough - which is fucking ludicrous.... There's some concern, you see..that her overwhelming polishness might bring out our latent undesirability - which we've gone to great lengths to distance ourselves from - don't even get me started on my estranged child and ex.
You tell me that you can't be anything other than white, but the definition of white you'd have to be employing to believe in great replacement is so narrow that you could categorically not -be- white. You just have light skin. So what, lot's of light skinned people are non white by that narrow definition, right along with countless europeans. My whole family has light skin. Would you breed into my family believing that you were producing white children on account of that skin, our our hair, or that we have names like cletus? You'd be disappointed. You'd end up with blue eyed blondes...with sickle cell. Dark skinned latinas with red hair and freckles. Chiseled jaws and thin noses on black faces. All of these ridiculous superstitions about appearance and race. My grandmother was the first american in her moms family, irish immigrants... Cute GI going home, 40's - and she would go on to marry a misceginated white supremacist who relocated his family to the american south - and we're three generations removed from that now with all of the usual genetic back and forth, soon to be four-...in our local population. I'm less white than the average american latino, if it's a measure of n. european dna - but obviously much more white than any of them if you're questioning a given latinos whiteness. I've transported my little bundles of great replacement up to the heart of appalachia, where the conspiracy theory ha some purchase, and where we'll continue that grand american tradition of melting. When you see that goofy face up there, know that that..is the face of the great replacement, which you see in the census. More families and more children will be the product of exactly the kinds of churning that produced me, and more deeply mixed than anyone in my family, to boot...but at what point do any of my descendants or their descendants stop being, well...our descendants? We find ourselves back to the initial question. What is being replaced? Are we going to get kicked out of the club? Will you get to stay in it? That seems unfair. What if it turns out that a given white person simply doesn't fit the narrow criteria of whiteness required for great replacement? What if they have no desire to be included in it? Are they prisoners, the great replacement crowd gets to assert their whiteness and count them as fellow members of that fictional race regardless of any genetic reality or personal identification? What if a person doesn't fit, but wishes to be white, are they now locked out of the white buy in that you and I both benefitted from?
Is your identify as white actually involuntary, and is your whiteness the narrow and ignorant whiteness required of great replacement? Let me put it another way. In the white ethnostate, when you're standing in line to get your genetic assessment, how confident are you in your life and security? Valhalla to the left, internment camps to the right. You a betting man?
You'll have to pick a lane. Either there is no race, or some white race is being replaced. If we took your description there as equal parts of who you are, you're about as non white as any american latino, on account of irish. Your ancestors may have bought in to whiteness, but anyone can. Anyone can buy out as well...contrary to your beliefs, and it's not based on genetics in the first place, here in the us even less so than pretty much anywhere. As I mentioned before, by a narrow definition of white which has historically excluded many whites, the us has been majority non white for centuries. By an inclusive definition of whites that still excludes some whites..we'll be majority white indefinitely, so...what gives? This is all getting silly, because no amount of facts has changed your misapprehension in any way. What utility is there for you in being wrong about the great replacement, such that you'll interpret any collection of contradictory facts as being right about a great replacement? It's a pernicious myth, that's why it features so heavily in global right wing extremism, granted, but what is it doing for you? If we could answer that, we'd have part of the answer to the rise of global right wing extremism.
Extremists aren't born, they're made, and this has been a productive way to groom them, so what's the hook? What causes a non extremist to fall for something thing like this so that they can be radicalized by the notion of an existential threat that isn't there to a white race that never existed, a white race which they may or may not be a member of themselves, based on the inclusivity or exclusivity of their own description for the race and the perception of their equally race obsessed (and race fantasizing) peers? Is there some social construct that's being replaced, as we now have it? What social construct might that be? Here, at least, we may find agreement. I'd say that there may be a social construct in danger, though by no means getting replaced, at present. Starts with a w, rhymes with flower. How is it that they've made their cause your cause? Where did you pick this stuff up, and what were you looking for when you did? Did you, by chance, consume alot of the popular anti-sjw content these past few years on the interwebs? You may have been presented with it as a rational assessment, wherein the presenter (who we have no expectation of being a white supremacist or racist) purports to apply skepticism to the notion of the great replacement .....and ends up concluding that it's true. That it's..... as you put it, not the conspiracy theory part. That it's genetics. That it's just science. That it's a fact of reality. That the census demonstrates that reality.
This is scientific racism. If you simply can't get anything else out of this convo, and even if you leave it with the persistent belief in a great replacement, know that, at least. It's either a part of the realization required to leave such beliefs behind, or a piece in a better understanding of yourself. I get that some people can't shake it. My family is full of people who can't shake it. We point to ourselves as a demonstration and hide that shame behind what we insist to be an inescapable whiteness regardless of the color of our skin and which of our parents were white.....and just how white. Honestly, it sucks. Half of my family doesn't talk to the other. Lost love between brothers and sisters, husbands and wives and their families....all of it swirling around this fiction. A good deal of it swirling around their disappointment in my having failed to perpetuate it for yet another generation. Of not finding sufficiently white partners and friends to reassert and maintain our whiteness, and our proper whiteness, which was always an asserted whiteness in the first place. My current wife is barely (or not quite..depending on who you ask) white enough - which is fucking ludicrous.... There's some concern, you see..that her overwhelming polishness might bring out our latent undesirability - which we've gone to great lengths to distance ourselves from - don't even get me started on my estranged child and ex.
You tell me that you can't be anything other than white, but the definition of white you'd have to be employing to believe in great replacement is so narrow that you could categorically not -be- white. You just have light skin. So what, lot's of light skinned people are non white by that narrow definition, right along with countless europeans. My whole family has light skin. Would you breed into my family believing that you were producing white children on account of that skin, our our hair, or that we have names like cletus? You'd be disappointed. You'd end up with blue eyed blondes...with sickle cell. Dark skinned latinas with red hair and freckles. Chiseled jaws and thin noses on black faces. All of these ridiculous superstitions about appearance and race. My grandmother was the first american in her moms family, irish immigrants... Cute GI going home, 40's - and she would go on to marry a misceginated white supremacist who relocated his family to the american south - and we're three generations removed from that now with all of the usual genetic back and forth, soon to be four-...in our local population. I'm less white than the average american latino, if it's a measure of n. european dna - but obviously much more white than any of them if you're questioning a given latinos whiteness. I've transported my little bundles of great replacement up to the heart of appalachia, where the conspiracy theory ha some purchase, and where we'll continue that grand american tradition of melting. When you see that goofy face up there, know that that..is the face of the great replacement, which you see in the census. More families and more children will be the product of exactly the kinds of churning that produced me, and more deeply mixed than anyone in my family, to boot...but at what point do any of my descendants or their descendants stop being, well...our descendants? We find ourselves back to the initial question. What is being replaced? Are we going to get kicked out of the club? Will you get to stay in it? That seems unfair. What if it turns out that a given white person simply doesn't fit the narrow criteria of whiteness required for great replacement? What if they have no desire to be included in it? Are they prisoners, the great replacement crowd gets to assert their whiteness and count them as fellow members of that fictional race regardless of any genetic reality or personal identification? What if a person doesn't fit, but wishes to be white, are they now locked out of the white buy in that you and I both benefitted from?
Is your identify as white actually involuntary, and is your whiteness the narrow and ignorant whiteness required of great replacement? Let me put it another way. In the white ethnostate, when you're standing in line to get your genetic assessment, how confident are you in your life and security? Valhalla to the left, internment camps to the right. You a betting man?
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