RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
February 9, 2021 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2021 at 12:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You do have to pick a lane, to assert that the census demonstrates a great replacement. If you've abandoned that belief, then good. Doesn't seem like you have. Being white is not a genetic survey. A large number of current whites are already descended from a great many other places than n. europe.
By the narrow criteria of whiteness, there is no great replacement ongoing. We've been majority nonwhite for centuries.
By an inclusive criteria of whiteness which still fails to validate some claims to whiteness (namely, black and hispanic claims to whiteness), we will be majority white indefinitely.
I 'm not interested in your position on the necessity of immigration, and it's not material to your being wrong an stubbornly wrong about a great replacement. You could be right on the necessity of immigration and be wrong about the great replacement. In fact, you could be compelled to believe in the necessity of immigration because you believe that the white race is declining. Heaven forfend william picks the tomatos, he doesn't even have enough white babies to keep the weeds pulled. Send More Manuel!
You'd be disappointed, though. Just like our genetics, our cultural differences wash away quickly. Birth rates, for example, don't appear to be an issue of super fecund and super virile brown and black dna. The children of immigrants tend to be more like us, and less like their parents (to their parents great sadness or elation, depending) with each passing gen. They choose to have fewer children for all of the same reasons that The Whites choose to have fewer children. You aren't going to get enough browns to cover the excess labor required through immigration at current levels. Not in the US, at least. It would have to be an impressively high rate to cover for the pop explosions who then Become White, as literally every other immigrant explosion in this country has, presenting the initial necessity again but with larger requirements.
I hope that this, all of this, goes some way to explaining why and how the politics of white supremacy, and the underlying proposition of white genocide, by any name isn't wrong as a matter of fact because it's deemed to be disgusting - the kind of thing that we would need free speech to protect - but disgusting because it's profoundly and dangerously wrong as a matter of fact. There is no such thing a consequence free speech. Even if we did write it into law, our speech would continue to have consequences. We can't legislate that out, it's beyond our ability. We could agree on free speech absolutism but..as you began this convo, there will still be a reality that we have to acknowledge. Some of us will use that speech to spread monstrous lies. Some of us will believe those lies. Some of us will incite others to violence. Each of those lives are on our hands, having failed to respect the responsibility of our free speech, having failed to use our free speech to break others out of this cycle of misery, and then failing to prevent our love of free speech from getting some other person...who may not have been so keen on that free speech, killed.
The point of disrupting a violent organization with an extremist ideology, is to prevent deaths that we are responsible to make every attempt for. It won't stop those ideas getting out and we know that. That's hearts and minds shit, good luck. Depriving extremists of resources prevents them from hurting the people they have hurt, will hurt, and plan to hurt. It deprives them of the resources required to make compelling media presentations that convince others of things which are manifestly untrue but still useful to white supremacy. It does not stop them from saying hateful things. Another reality, at least until such a time as we're all fitted for shock collars and our rooms are all bugged. There is no rights abrogation here - we hear them. We see them. They're speaking. They're getting the word out. The point where they start to make money doing that, is where even the most absolute free speech ends. Because, you see..they're being allowed to speak...freely.
This is how, for example...books in the us can be published which divulge state secrets - but the writer and publisher forfeit some or all of the proceeds. They freely spoke. Participation in our economy, however........is another matter. You can't freely speak your way into selling tuna with no tuna in it. Your product either does or does not meet regulations. By all means, keep calling it tuna, you'll keep getting fined for calling it tuna. You either did or did not divulge state secrets. You can continue to freely speak, and freely speak in court, and freely speak in your appeals to the court. And freely speak to the press. On and on, ad infinitum. Freely profiting, is a different issue.
By the narrow criteria of whiteness, there is no great replacement ongoing. We've been majority nonwhite for centuries.
By an inclusive criteria of whiteness which still fails to validate some claims to whiteness (namely, black and hispanic claims to whiteness), we will be majority white indefinitely.
I 'm not interested in your position on the necessity of immigration, and it's not material to your being wrong an stubbornly wrong about a great replacement. You could be right on the necessity of immigration and be wrong about the great replacement. In fact, you could be compelled to believe in the necessity of immigration because you believe that the white race is declining. Heaven forfend william picks the tomatos, he doesn't even have enough white babies to keep the weeds pulled. Send More Manuel!
You'd be disappointed, though. Just like our genetics, our cultural differences wash away quickly. Birth rates, for example, don't appear to be an issue of super fecund and super virile brown and black dna. The children of immigrants tend to be more like us, and less like their parents (to their parents great sadness or elation, depending) with each passing gen. They choose to have fewer children for all of the same reasons that The Whites choose to have fewer children. You aren't going to get enough browns to cover the excess labor required through immigration at current levels. Not in the US, at least. It would have to be an impressively high rate to cover for the pop explosions who then Become White, as literally every other immigrant explosion in this country has, presenting the initial necessity again but with larger requirements.
I hope that this, all of this, goes some way to explaining why and how the politics of white supremacy, and the underlying proposition of white genocide, by any name isn't wrong as a matter of fact because it's deemed to be disgusting - the kind of thing that we would need free speech to protect - but disgusting because it's profoundly and dangerously wrong as a matter of fact. There is no such thing a consequence free speech. Even if we did write it into law, our speech would continue to have consequences. We can't legislate that out, it's beyond our ability. We could agree on free speech absolutism but..as you began this convo, there will still be a reality that we have to acknowledge. Some of us will use that speech to spread monstrous lies. Some of us will believe those lies. Some of us will incite others to violence. Each of those lives are on our hands, having failed to respect the responsibility of our free speech, having failed to use our free speech to break others out of this cycle of misery, and then failing to prevent our love of free speech from getting some other person...who may not have been so keen on that free speech, killed.
The point of disrupting a violent organization with an extremist ideology, is to prevent deaths that we are responsible to make every attempt for. It won't stop those ideas getting out and we know that. That's hearts and minds shit, good luck. Depriving extremists of resources prevents them from hurting the people they have hurt, will hurt, and plan to hurt. It deprives them of the resources required to make compelling media presentations that convince others of things which are manifestly untrue but still useful to white supremacy. It does not stop them from saying hateful things. Another reality, at least until such a time as we're all fitted for shock collars and our rooms are all bugged. There is no rights abrogation here - we hear them. We see them. They're speaking. They're getting the word out. The point where they start to make money doing that, is where even the most absolute free speech ends. Because, you see..they're being allowed to speak...freely.
This is how, for example...books in the us can be published which divulge state secrets - but the writer and publisher forfeit some or all of the proceeds. They freely spoke. Participation in our economy, however........is another matter. You can't freely speak your way into selling tuna with no tuna in it. Your product either does or does not meet regulations. By all means, keep calling it tuna, you'll keep getting fined for calling it tuna. You either did or did not divulge state secrets. You can continue to freely speak, and freely speak in court, and freely speak in your appeals to the court. And freely speak to the press. On and on, ad infinitum. Freely profiting, is a different issue.
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