(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Fact remains: killing isn't murder.Yes. The definition:
Quote:Murder: Verb -Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. -Google
Quote:Kill: Verb/Nour -Cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing) -GoogleI'm now aware of the difference meaning between the Kill and Murder. Thank you for point the difference out. We have ability [conscience] to distinguish the difference of between good and evil/right and wrong. Even you, can distinguish the wrong. Don't you think the killings/atrocities committed by God can be considered as a "murder"? I don't know if you read the bible or not, the killings that condoned and committed by god.
Unless...
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
If Christians consider that verse as a "law" so they can kill homosexual since it is just "kill" and didn't considered as a "murder" since Christians didn't break the law?
Or God can do whatever he wishes since he's all-powerful?
(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Murder = unlawful (unjust) killing. You would need to prove that God is portrayed as killing unjustly.What. Do I need to prove the atrocities/killings committed by God? The bible mentioned all of that shit already.
(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: TheSummerQueen, a moderator here, has just said that the bible is written completely from the angle that God is good. So which is it? They were lying or you see actual evidence of God being unjust in what it says?The bar graph of kill count by god- it's all summed up according to the bible [if you considered the bible as a "actual evidence" or not]. It's all in the bible, in the verses which we describe god's behavior with humanity. I don't see TheSummerQueen's post in this thread and I don't recall of what has she said. Could you please refer me to the source?
(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If that "makes sense" ...or is 'just' in your understanding. Then God killing, if he were just (work out your problem above), would also "make sense".That still wouldn't make sense, I'll quote the verses in the content: These verses are considered as a "law" condoned and created by god.
If God is trying to solve the "sin" problem then the atrocities against humanity does not make sense. God is supposedly omniscient, yet let Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit? Or that's a story to describe our nature? A metaphoric story for human beings capable of doing good things also doing evil things? Or a metaphoric story of disobedience against god?
(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: "Literal" = not literal. Those are the words in english, literally, but not the 'literal meaning'.Whoops.
I should have said 'serious" instead of literal. Before, I thought literal is one of synonymic word for seriousness.
(November 5, 2011 at 6:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Again you need to show how it was unjust. Since this is the nature we have (no matter what your religious beliefs), if God didn't do it was it nature that was unjust?Well, the bible did mentioned that god is omniscient. Why punish humanity with "sin" that God created in first? If forbidden fruit don't consist of "sin" but conscience then why god punish humanity for ability to distinguish between good and evil?