Who has killed more - Satan or God?

[downbeatplumb]

1. Killing isn't bad. Murder is bad. God murdered no one. (eg a mother kills someone about to kill her child - a just taking of life)
2. Satan tempted Adam & Eve to die - they took him up on that.

Where does it say the serpent is satan?

[Blam!]

1. Please present you reasoning for why a mother killing to protect the life of her child is unjust Blam.

My demotivational poster intended for your back-warded reason that justified the killings committed by God. About mother part - It's part of motherhood nature to kill any threat to her offspring, that makes sense. But god? Uhm, he even kill millions and millions for stupid reasons. Considering the God's 6th commandment, will mother be damned for to protect her offspring?

2. It's a story Blam, describing our nature. Gods plan is what happenned.

Unfortunately, that story often is taken as a literal by fundamentalists since it's part of Genesis. So the God's plan was: to unjustly punish humanity and expect the followers redeem this "sin" Is that what happened?

[KichigaiNeko]

Short answer is this God deity ...sorry fr0d0s...your deity is a right mongrel bastard.

[fr0d0]

My demotivational poster intended for your back-warded reason that justified the killings committed by God.

Fact remains: killing isn't murder.

Murder = unlawful (unjust) killing. You would need to prove that God is portrayed as killing unjustly.

TheSummerQueen, a moderator here, has just said that the bible is written completely from the angle that God is good. So which is it? They were lying or you see actual evidence of God being unjust in what it says?

About mother part - It's part of motherhood nature to kill any threat to her offspring, that makes sense.

If that "makes sense" ...or is 'just' in your understanding. Then God killing, if he were just (work out your problem above), would also "make sense".

Unfortunately, that story often is taken as a literal by fundamentalists since it's part of Genesis.

"Literal" = not literal. Those are the words in english, literally, but not the 'literal meaning'.

So the God's plan was: to unjustly punish humanity and expect the followers redeem this "sin" Is that what happened?

Again you need to show how it was unjust. Since this is the nature we have (no matter what your religious beliefs), if God didn't do it was it nature that was unjust?

[KichigaiNeko]

Epic FAIL fr0d0..

your own BOOK is dead set against it.

[Justtristo]

Epic FAIL fr0d0..

your own BOOK is dead set against it.

Old Testament ethics (in particular the Torah) was I believe pretty much a matter of if god does not forbid then it is acceptable (which the same ethical mindset exists in the Islamic world*). The Old Testament forbids the cold blooded killing of people who have not broken any of god's laws. While the Old Testament commands the killing of people who have broken god's laws. That is how some opponents of abortion can support capital punishment as well. This ethical system is quite "primitive" to put it and already was outdated back around the axial age roughly when the Old Testament was composed.

* One of the more interesting side-effects of such a moral mindset in the Islamic world is that male to female sex change operations are allowed and even encouraged in Iran.

[JollyForr]

Whenever Satan killed someone, God always had the power to stop him, as he is omnipotent. They're both evil, malicious, vindictive, vile, and I can't see why anyone would wish to bow down to Yahweh like they do. Where did this "God is Love", saying come from? Which God is it, because it certainly isn't the God of the bible.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fact remains: killing isn't murder.

Murder = unlawful (unjust) killing. You would need to prove that God is portrayed as killing unjustly.

"Literal" = not literal. Those are the words in english, literally, but not the 'literal meaning'.

Again you need to show how it was unjust. Since this is the nature we have (no matter what your religious beliefs), if God didn't do it was it nature that was unjust?

Agreed.

Exhibit one, The Holy Bible, the prosecution rests.

Oh, you don't think the interpretation is very good, something lost from greek to english? I think something is lost when translating from BS to any human language.

Technically speaking god didn't do anything Frods. It's your (and many other christians) concept of god that's being criticized. I have to ask you what the fuck you're talking about here? You go on like there's some agreement about "man's nature (no matter what religious beliefs you hold)" without realizing that this sentiment itself is just a religious belief? Nature isn't a moral lawgiver in any case Frods. Windmills.

[Blam!]

Fact remains: killing isn't murder.

Yes. The definition:

Murder: Verb -Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. -Google

Kill: Verb/Nour -Cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing) -Google

I'm now aware of the difference meaning between the Kill and Murder. Thank you for point the difference out. We have ability [conscience] to distinguish the difference of between good and evil/right and wrong. Even you, can distinguish the wrong. Don't you think the killings/atrocities committed by God can be considered as a "murder"? I don't know if you read the bible or not, the killings that condoned and committed by god.
Unless...
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
If Christians consider that verse as a "law" so they can kill homosexual since it is just "kill" and didn't considered as a "murder" since Christians didn't break the law?

Or God can do whatever he wishes since he's all-powerful?

Murder = unlawful (unjust) killing. You would need to prove that God is portrayed as killing unjustly.

What. Do I need to prove the atrocities/killings committed by God? The bible mentioned all of that shit already.

TheSummerQueen, a moderator here, has just said that the bible is written completely from the angle that God is good. So which is it? They were lying or you see actual evidence of God being unjust in what it says?

The bar graph of kill count by god- it's all summed up according to the bible [if you considered the bible as a "actual evidence" or not]. It's all in the bible, in the verses which we describe god's behavior with humanity. I don't see TheSummerQueen's post in this thread and I don't recall of what has she said. Could you please refer me to the source?

If that "makes sense" ...or is 'just' in your understanding. Then God killing, if he were just (work out your problem above), would also "make sense".

That still wouldn't make sense, I'll quote the verses in the content: These verses are considered as a "law" condoned and created by god.

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"You should not let a sorceress live." (Exodus 22:17 NAB
"Kill first-born humans and animals" (Exodus 13:2)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death." (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense." (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

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If God is trying to solve the "sin" problem then the atrocities against humanity does not make sense. God is supposedly omniscient, yet let Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit? Or that's a story to describe our nature? A metaphoric story for human beings capable of doing good things also doing evil things? Or a metaphoric story of disobedience against god?

"Literal" = not literal. Those are the words in english, literally, but not the 'literal meaning'.

Whoops.
I should have said 'serious" instead of literal. Before, I thought literal is one of synonymic word for seriousness.

Again you need to show how it was unjust. Since this is the nature we have (no matter what your religious beliefs), if God didn't do it was it nature that was unjust?

Well, the bible did mentioned that god is omniscient. Why punish humanity with "sin" that God created in first? If forbidden fruit don't consist of "sin" but conscience then why god punish humanity for ability to distinguish between good and evil?

[fr0d0]

Epic FAIL fr0d0..

your own BOOK is dead set against it.

Set against what Kichie?

Set against God being good? > TheSummerQueen is a fucking idiot?

Set against itself? You are a fucking idiot?

Which one?