RE: How to beat a presupp at their own game
March 18, 2021 at 4:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2021 at 4:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 18, 2021 at 3:29 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(March 17, 2021 at 7:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Of course a religion could be proven correct in the absence of a god, or of a just god. The only ones that require either are the ones predicated on either.
You also believe that there are piles and piles of religions with just gods which aren't true - for what it's worth.
Yes, that's true. The justness property is a necessary condition, but not a sufficient condition for a religion to be correct. If some religion doesn't provide a just god, then it's automatically false, or at best completely useless, because it's futile to inquire about an unjust god. If some religion provides a just god, then at least it cannot be ruled out right away.
Entirely wrong. Justness is not a necessary condition for godness. You may not find any use in seeking an unjust god - but that doesn't have any effect on whether or not that god exists..just as the justness of a god won't engender belief in that god, to you.
You prefer your god. Full stop. If a religion fails to provide a just god, it may still provide an existent god...and before you double down, remember, your god is an unjust god. Do you really want to assert such a rule? Such that any injustice in your god concept, by the rule you yourself assert, proves your god to be either non-existent or not worth giving a shit about?
From the other end, any religion which provides a just or unjust god -which does not exist....... patently can be ruled out right away - as you rule out so many just gods yourself on the basis of your belief that their gods are fancy and yours is real.
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