RE: Belief in white Jesus linked to racism
March 27, 2021 at 5:53 pm
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2021 at 6:01 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 27, 2021 at 11:44 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: ==What do you mean by contemporaneous reader? Which year are you talking about?We don't know. Between 800 and 600bc two distinct waves of refugees and prisoners found themselves in need of an establishment legend, and there are different political factions speaking through it on top of that. The dragon stories are believed to be part of an older oral tradition, which gets identified as thematically canaanite. So that's who's talking. Not a person who believe in abrahamism the way that anyone does today. Presumably, from the comparisons, they're either speaking directly to -or directly about- a competing culture with other gods.
We assume it happened more than once, or it was a long used comparison...since we don't think that the same people or even the same traditions wrote every remark in the subset.
Quote:Does your statement have something to do with the book of Genesis?Two examples, there are more (as before, you can use leviathan and behemoth to find the relevant narratives...and beyond just laughing at old mythology, it's what's around the dragons that interests, not the line item of the dragon.
Are we still talking about these lines of the Bible? Please quote the Bible so that I know what exactly you are referring to. Which people?
Psalms 74:13 KING JAMES VERSION
Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
{74:14} Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Isaiah 27:1 KING JAMES VERSION
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.
Quote:==Who is “we” and which lines of the Bible are you talking about?The establishing narrator. I could talk your ear off about this, but, broadly....in the immediate pre-exile there was an internal cultural crisis that a more ancient wave of migration and colonization engendered. It's the reason for alot of the seemingly strange provisions in magic book - things like poly blend cloth..and it's even where we get the long used phrase "swords to ploughshares" (though, in reality, it went the other way around). It was felt by a segment of the population at the time that too much cultural transfer and intermixing had occurred, and that the natives, as it were, got the short end of the stick on all of it. Their settlements become stratified, and when superpowers went to war on either side of them they couldn't mount an effective resistance due to infighting. That's how the period begins. When it ends, some of these narrative points of view have persisted and they wind their way into the new myth.
Quote:“A few centuries after the fact, yeah...but not by his literal ancestors. By people who manufactured an entire alternate history out of the thematic elements of their grievances with their own very canaanite past.”It's an absolute certainty that the canaanite themes in magic book are older than magic book, and that by the time they made magic book a thing, they no longer believed the same things (and no longer even remembered that they were once the same people). They were people in 8-600bc speaking about events in the near periphery of that tragedy, but later authors were writing them as though they were an ancient past...which I supposed they would very much seem to be if I was just seeing the land of isreal for the first time, my family having been made pows centuries before, and having lived as second class citizens in their homes for centuries before that..and the civilization that once existed lying before me in rubble.
==That’s possible.
--Ferrocyanide
The stories felt like they were still true, an that's what gave them continued life. Same way that we keep telling stories that our out of place and time but, timeless, in a way.
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