Hello everyone, 
I'm a newbie and I searched term 'exorcism' and old thread poped out, I had something to say but deicide to open a new thred.
I was long time a Catholic believer and I know pretty well all Catholic teachings, rituals and folklore beliefs, it is kinda more complex than other religions, for eamples Protestantism or some other Bible believing Christians.
Catholic faith is not based on Bible alone, but on Church tradition and early Church fathers from the beginning. Catholic Church is pretty progressive and open minded, for example, pope John Paul II accepted a theory of evolution, and many clergy and theologians from Catholic field accept evolution and they have no problem with that. Catholic church accepted Big Bang theory, well, that is kinda ironic, because idea of universe that spreading itself came from Belgium priest George Lemaitre. Well, this is part of some other thread, but I have to write it down before I jump into exorcism and demonic possession.
I was readed a lot about exorcism and possession, from book by official Vatican exorcist father Amorth to others like book The Rite by Matt Baglio, which is pretty journalistic and honest and scientific look at possession. Gabrielle Amorth books are not scientific, it is only description of many exorcism events as it is expected from the priest.
I was many time witnessing 'possessions' and first time I was shocked.
Already I previously read was in front of my eyes and ears, and this is not fake. I was there. 
So at Catholic Holy Mass, one girl who is suppossedly possessed, were not showing any signs of possession. She was a quiet girl, not she seemed like she is deeply mentaly ill. When priest came with Holy Cross she started to screaming and even while couple of strong guys hold, her she was so strong that she dropped all of them to the floor, even heavily benches were moved. This was extreme strength from tiny little pale girl, maybe in early 20's. Suddenly, people started to pray and she was started to spitting all over and cursing, her eyes were rolling and her voice were more male sounded, and she was talking in some strange language, and she growling like singer in death metal band. After some prayer by the priest and other, manifestation began to fade out. Later she was exhausted and in cry. She was not the same person when she was possessed, before and after.
So, I was there, and this is not only time. I was there. I was not witnessing exorcism because that ritual must be performed in secret, but my friend was there who was there to hold possessed person and he saw many manifestation that gived me chillin in the bones.
In many parishes and Chruches in Croatia there is many charismatic priest and they performing extended Holy Mass for spiritual revival for people of faith and people who are not into faith but they opened to experience something.
In Međugorje (google it if someone is interested) near Croatia border, where suppossedly Virgin Mary appeared a lot of time to kids in beginning of 1980's, you can see a lot of pilgrims, and many testimony of healings, miracles and demonic possession manifestations. Near hill of Apparition, some people were screaming suddenly. I have a video of that, and if someone interested I can forward them.
Okay, question for atheist. I didn't see any rebuttal of demonic possessions on the internet, even well known skeptic Steven Novella fall shortly to his explanation of demonic activities.
My question is this to atheist or skeptic, and this is not people faking, I was there:
- how can some girl with poor education know Latin or Hebrew phrases???
- if this is some kind of weird mental illness, how come that girl who is possessed only have this manifestations in Church during prayer time??? This is what you exactly expect if girl were possessed?
- how can you explain big aversion to Holy water or Holy cross or other sacred things from people who are possessed supposedly?
- how can you explain enormous strength from thin teeny girl? Strength bigger than six adults people?
- if all those is only some kind of mental seizure or uknown mental illness, would you expect to be happen in big grocery stores, supermarkets and other places with lot of people that can trigger seizures and that never happens? Only in Church? Explain that.
I was contemplating a lot and searched a lot but didn't see many argument that this is all weird placebo thing that science need to investigate. Some priests even asking for possessed people evaluation from doctors and they had it. So doctors cannot find nothing that would lead to disorder. Isn't that what you expected if person were possessed. Because possession is a spiritual thing of spiritual realm. It make sense to me.
Can someone explain this phenomena?
P.S. Apology for making gramatical errors (english is not my native language).
I'm a newbie and I searched term 'exorcism' and old thread poped out, I had something to say but deicide to open a new thred.
I was long time a Catholic believer and I know pretty well all Catholic teachings, rituals and folklore beliefs, it is kinda more complex than other religions, for eamples Protestantism or some other Bible believing Christians.
Catholic faith is not based on Bible alone, but on Church tradition and early Church fathers from the beginning. Catholic Church is pretty progressive and open minded, for example, pope John Paul II accepted a theory of evolution, and many clergy and theologians from Catholic field accept evolution and they have no problem with that. Catholic church accepted Big Bang theory, well, that is kinda ironic, because idea of universe that spreading itself came from Belgium priest George Lemaitre. Well, this is part of some other thread, but I have to write it down before I jump into exorcism and demonic possession.
I was readed a lot about exorcism and possession, from book by official Vatican exorcist father Amorth to others like book The Rite by Matt Baglio, which is pretty journalistic and honest and scientific look at possession. Gabrielle Amorth books are not scientific, it is only description of many exorcism events as it is expected from the priest.
I was many time witnessing 'possessions' and first time I was shocked.
Already I previously read was in front of my eyes and ears, and this is not fake. I was there. So at Catholic Holy Mass, one girl who is suppossedly possessed, were not showing any signs of possession. She was a quiet girl, not she seemed like she is deeply mentaly ill. When priest came with Holy Cross she started to screaming and even while couple of strong guys hold, her she was so strong that she dropped all of them to the floor, even heavily benches were moved. This was extreme strength from tiny little pale girl, maybe in early 20's. Suddenly, people started to pray and she was started to spitting all over and cursing, her eyes were rolling and her voice were more male sounded, and she was talking in some strange language, and she growling like singer in death metal band. After some prayer by the priest and other, manifestation began to fade out. Later she was exhausted and in cry. She was not the same person when she was possessed, before and after.
So, I was there, and this is not only time. I was there. I was not witnessing exorcism because that ritual must be performed in secret, but my friend was there who was there to hold possessed person and he saw many manifestation that gived me chillin in the bones.
In many parishes and Chruches in Croatia there is many charismatic priest and they performing extended Holy Mass for spiritual revival for people of faith and people who are not into faith but they opened to experience something.
In Međugorje (google it if someone is interested) near Croatia border, where suppossedly Virgin Mary appeared a lot of time to kids in beginning of 1980's, you can see a lot of pilgrims, and many testimony of healings, miracles and demonic possession manifestations. Near hill of Apparition, some people were screaming suddenly. I have a video of that, and if someone interested I can forward them.
Okay, question for atheist. I didn't see any rebuttal of demonic possessions on the internet, even well known skeptic Steven Novella fall shortly to his explanation of demonic activities.
My question is this to atheist or skeptic, and this is not people faking, I was there:
- how can some girl with poor education know Latin or Hebrew phrases???
- if this is some kind of weird mental illness, how come that girl who is possessed only have this manifestations in Church during prayer time??? This is what you exactly expect if girl were possessed?
- how can you explain big aversion to Holy water or Holy cross or other sacred things from people who are possessed supposedly?
- how can you explain enormous strength from thin teeny girl? Strength bigger than six adults people?
- if all those is only some kind of mental seizure or uknown mental illness, would you expect to be happen in big grocery stores, supermarkets and other places with lot of people that can trigger seizures and that never happens? Only in Church? Explain that.
I was contemplating a lot and searched a lot but didn't see many argument that this is all weird placebo thing that science need to investigate. Some priests even asking for possessed people evaluation from doctors and they had it. So doctors cannot find nothing that would lead to disorder. Isn't that what you expected if person were possessed. Because possession is a spiritual thing of spiritual realm. It make sense to me.
Can someone explain this phenomena?
P.S. Apology for making gramatical errors (english is not my native language).
''Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes'' - Carl G. Jung
