@Angrboda
I'm not lying or being disingenuous, but you're entitled to your opinions.
I agree that numerous studies show the general population would see atheist (or muslims) as strong vocal advocates for their beliefs and are more likely to argue with them. That's what makes them dislikeable, not thee content of their beliefs.
I am not minimizing the reality or denying facts. I dislike active "Karens" far more than I dislike active atheists. I'm saying those facts you cited are not the same as the case you're making. You are playing the "Why do Christians hate us" card. I'm just here stating that I don't hate you. I disagree with you. If rational discourse can't be made on the topic, I'm happy to discuss other topics, but where our topic is religion it is diametrically opposed by definition. You'll have to forgive me for being human and desiring to get along with other people.
Some simple questions to resolve this:
1. Do you (you personally) feel hated by me personally?
2. Do you feel disliked by me personally?
3. Do you feel hated by Christians in general?
4. Do you feel disliked by Christians in general?
5. Do you believe I personally am representative of Christianity?
6. Do you hate or dislike me personally?
7. Do you hate or dislike Christians generally?
Then we take those answers and ask why.
I've answered you as to why I don't hate Atheists and why (with specifics to when) I dislike conversing with atheist. I feel I am a generic representation of Christianity within the group I am part of. If there are more questions you have, I'd be happy to answer them.
I've presupposed the why to some of your responces to those questions and why you ask that "Why do Christians hate atheists more than different believers?"
To answer you i've listed Pygmalion effect on both sides or cited several biases could be at play on either side like commitment bias, in-group bias or confirmation bias. I'm certain that your statistics and Agenda's are factually correct. But what are those studies actually measuring? It's dislike not hate. I dislike pedophiles, nazi's and most old people that drive. I dislike them for their actions. Atheism isn't an action, therefore I have no dislike of atheist generally. Those that want to take action on their beliefs I might have a problem with (depending on their actions individually). Similarly, I'm typically tolerated around here as long as I don't actively try to convert people.
As for me being a bigot... well.. I'm not. You're still attributing a lot of hate to me that I'm simply not expressing anywhere. I'm biased, but I'm not the one obstinately or unreasonably holding a position or antagonizing anyone nor am I prejudicially ignoring your evidence. I'm simply offering a different, more direct line of questioning. Maybe if I suess-ify it it'll be clearer. Sorry if this is bad, I'm not practiced at it and I'm at work.
I do lumps atheists in one big pot
they're all people was my only thought
Atheists are no more in my mind
than anyone else when they're being unkind
When they open their mouths,
when they become hyper-skeptical, opinionated, non-conformists
They still don't make my naughty shortlist.
Everyone has an opinion and unique view
It's called perspective and I respect yours too
In your quest to vilify, don't deny
the timber in your own eye.
I'm not lying or being disingenuous, but you're entitled to your opinions.
I agree that numerous studies show the general population would see atheist (or muslims) as strong vocal advocates for their beliefs and are more likely to argue with them. That's what makes them dislikeable, not thee content of their beliefs.
I am not minimizing the reality or denying facts. I dislike active "Karens" far more than I dislike active atheists. I'm saying those facts you cited are not the same as the case you're making. You are playing the "Why do Christians hate us" card. I'm just here stating that I don't hate you. I disagree with you. If rational discourse can't be made on the topic, I'm happy to discuss other topics, but where our topic is religion it is diametrically opposed by definition. You'll have to forgive me for being human and desiring to get along with other people.
Some simple questions to resolve this:
1. Do you (you personally) feel hated by me personally?
2. Do you feel disliked by me personally?
3. Do you feel hated by Christians in general?
4. Do you feel disliked by Christians in general?
5. Do you believe I personally am representative of Christianity?
6. Do you hate or dislike me personally?
7. Do you hate or dislike Christians generally?
Then we take those answers and ask why.
I've answered you as to why I don't hate Atheists and why (with specifics to when) I dislike conversing with atheist. I feel I am a generic representation of Christianity within the group I am part of. If there are more questions you have, I'd be happy to answer them.
I've presupposed the why to some of your responces to those questions and why you ask that "Why do Christians hate atheists more than different believers?"
To answer you i've listed Pygmalion effect on both sides or cited several biases could be at play on either side like commitment bias, in-group bias or confirmation bias. I'm certain that your statistics and Agenda's are factually correct. But what are those studies actually measuring? It's dislike not hate. I dislike pedophiles, nazi's and most old people that drive. I dislike them for their actions. Atheism isn't an action, therefore I have no dislike of atheist generally. Those that want to take action on their beliefs I might have a problem with (depending on their actions individually). Similarly, I'm typically tolerated around here as long as I don't actively try to convert people.
(June 3, 2021 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:Exactly my point... The angry atheist is a myth, as is the hateful Christian being straw-manned here. As I said above, the axis that aligns with my religious belief and every religious related opinion of the atheists on this forum is topically and diametrically opposed by definition. That doesn't mean I hate atheists for their religious opinions or want them to be quiet about them.(June 3, 2021 at 7:21 am)tackattack Wrote: Amazing research. You mean to tell me 2 diametrically opposed groups dislike each other? /sarcasm
I dislike arguing with atheist, but that doesn’t mean I dislike atheists. Both of those are a far cry from hating anyone. I’m certain non of the question in those studies was “do you hate atheist?”
Honestly I would expect a minority group of typically hyper-skeptical, opinionated, vocal nonconformists with axes to grind to be on the colder side of many social scenarios.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25590340/
As for me being a bigot... well.. I'm not. You're still attributing a lot of hate to me that I'm simply not expressing anywhere. I'm biased, but I'm not the one obstinately or unreasonably holding a position or antagonizing anyone nor am I prejudicially ignoring your evidence. I'm simply offering a different, more direct line of questioning. Maybe if I suess-ify it it'll be clearer. Sorry if this is bad, I'm not practiced at it and I'm at work.
I do lumps atheists in one big pot
they're all people was my only thought
Atheists are no more in my mind
than anyone else when they're being unkind
When they open their mouths,
when they become hyper-skeptical, opinionated, non-conformists
They still don't make my naughty shortlist.
Everyone has an opinion and unique view
It's called perspective and I respect yours too
In your quest to vilify, don't deny
the timber in your own eye.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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