RE: So... I had a request from a professor
November 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm by Voltair.)
What would you like me to say or do to prove to you I am not drinking the "kool aid". I am aware that you have had people do this before to only come crawling out of the closet later and try and do conversions.
Would you like me to tell you that the cosmological, teleological, and moral arguments for the existence of God are arguments from ignorance? Would you like me to tell you that the Bible has little to no contemporary accounts verifying anything except that there was a man said to be followed by a group calling themselves Christians?
One of my favorite ideas is actually Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon in my Garage as well.
Would you like me to also point out that there is questionable dating and some of the books may have been composed in the 2nd century? I don't buy Christianity and I think its "creed" book is unreliable. I don't trust a book which has no reliable secondary data to back it up.
That still may not convince you that I am not a closet Christian so you can look up my post called "Hell - where is the justice?" If you want in the Christianity sub-section. If that still is not enough I can give you the book list I read before/after I lost my faith including Bart D. Ehrman, Carl Sagan, and others. I also visited Greta Christina's blog and various other places.
I did not mean to say Atheism is not a theology. When I mean the "best" atheistic point of view I mean essentially the best arguments against the existence of God. I am fully aware that atheism is not a belief system and I am fully aware that. I am also familiar with arguments against God. THE ONLY THING I was asking for is book recommendations that display these arguments in the best way.
I did not read such books during my de-conversion I used forums like these, like freeratio.org, like an ex CoC support forum, a whole lot of thinking, etc. That is why I figured I would ask it here. If my post came off like the typical "hidden theist" you encounter on here I apologize.
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Anyway I will go ahead and put the books on the list for my professor. I appreciate it guys and ill put as many on the list as you think would be good. After talking to him today it sounds like he is looking for a good 15-20 page excerpt that gives a good presentation of the ideas. I will ask him to get more specific in what he is trying to look for.
I say the atheistic viewpoint a lot and I don't mean to say atheism is a belief system but I use that language often enough. Again I mean the idea of there not being a God and the arguments/ideas against such an idea. This includes the idea of the burden of proof etc, and I already mentioned/put on the list Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon story which I think shows that very well.
As far as my name Voltair goes I really did not know of Voltaire. It was a random name I made for a video game character I was playing in Dungeon Fighter Online.
The ex-atheist claim? I didn't claim to be an ex-atheist unless I mistyped something, I thought I claimed to be an ex-Christian -.0. If you want my entire position against God completely fleshed out I can do that for you as well if you still are not convinced by anything I put above. Again there may be nothing I can do to convince you that I am not a secret Christian.
Although it would be damn near pointless considering I have no idea how I would convince anyone to believe in a God much less Christianity. But again that may be just me using deception to "trick" you so I can pounce on you with the holy word of jeebus and save your damned soul from Hell.
Would you like me to tell you that the cosmological, teleological, and moral arguments for the existence of God are arguments from ignorance? Would you like me to tell you that the Bible has little to no contemporary accounts verifying anything except that there was a man said to be followed by a group calling themselves Christians?
One of my favorite ideas is actually Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon in my Garage as well.
Would you like me to also point out that there is questionable dating and some of the books may have been composed in the 2nd century? I don't buy Christianity and I think its "creed" book is unreliable. I don't trust a book which has no reliable secondary data to back it up.
That still may not convince you that I am not a closet Christian so you can look up my post called "Hell - where is the justice?" If you want in the Christianity sub-section. If that still is not enough I can give you the book list I read before/after I lost my faith including Bart D. Ehrman, Carl Sagan, and others. I also visited Greta Christina's blog and various other places.
I did not mean to say Atheism is not a theology. When I mean the "best" atheistic point of view I mean essentially the best arguments against the existence of God. I am fully aware that atheism is not a belief system and I am fully aware that. I am also familiar with arguments against God. THE ONLY THING I was asking for is book recommendations that display these arguments in the best way.
I did not read such books during my de-conversion I used forums like these, like freeratio.org, like an ex CoC support forum, a whole lot of thinking, etc. That is why I figured I would ask it here. If my post came off like the typical "hidden theist" you encounter on here I apologize.
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Anyway I will go ahead and put the books on the list for my professor. I appreciate it guys and ill put as many on the list as you think would be good. After talking to him today it sounds like he is looking for a good 15-20 page excerpt that gives a good presentation of the ideas. I will ask him to get more specific in what he is trying to look for.
I say the atheistic viewpoint a lot and I don't mean to say atheism is a belief system but I use that language often enough. Again I mean the idea of there not being a God and the arguments/ideas against such an idea. This includes the idea of the burden of proof etc, and I already mentioned/put on the list Carl Sagan's Invisible Dragon story which I think shows that very well.
As far as my name Voltair goes I really did not know of Voltaire. It was a random name I made for a video game character I was playing in Dungeon Fighter Online.
The ex-atheist claim? I didn't claim to be an ex-atheist unless I mistyped something, I thought I claimed to be an ex-Christian -.0. If you want my entire position against God completely fleshed out I can do that for you as well if you still are not convinced by anything I put above. Again there may be nothing I can do to convince you that I am not a secret Christian.
Although it would be damn near pointless considering I have no idea how I would convince anyone to believe in a God much less Christianity. But again that may be just me using deception to "trick" you so I can pounce on you with the holy word of jeebus and save your damned soul from Hell.