Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

June 6, 2021 at 1:18 pm (This post was last modified: June 6, 2021 at 2:09 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)

(June 6, 2021 at 10:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you believe strongly enough to force a birth, at least have the courage of your own convictions to plainly discuss it.

As I said earlier, the real world is too complex to be thinking in such absolute terms. We are not slaves to rules—even the Bible asks us to break them when better outcomes can be achieved (e.g. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, or David eating bread from the Temple). As such, I have no issues with abortion being justified under some scenarios but not under others.

That said, I'm not a fan of many pro-choice arguments; they have a certain avoidant nature to them.

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