RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
June 10, 2021 at 8:29 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2021 at 8:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 8, 2021 at 9:12 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Foreknoweldge doesn't contradict free will. You actually didn't even try to prove that beyond simple assertion. It's not my problem that this is too hard for you to understand - which further proves that theology is not for everyone.
It's not hard for you though to watch a replay of a football match, I guess ? in which case you would know beforehand the results and in what minute the goals were scored, clearly you didn't force any player to do anything, nor did the entity with complete information and access to future events.
Foreknowledge is a textbook failure condition for free will. If the future can be known, by anything, even if no one and no thing possesses that knowledge, then there can be no free will.
Your example of a replay of a football match is perfect. Nothing to do with you making them do anything, and everything to do with their inability to do anything else. Do any of the objects in that replay have a choice to do something else? OFC not. If foreknowledge is even possible, then we're something like water believing we chose to flow downhill, convinced that our lack of knowledge of the future amounted to a free will we do not possess. God, you see, can just skip to the end and watch the replay. It's all, already, done. From the first moment to the last moment. Now, I don't see why this would be an issue for your god. So what if it breaks a few of it's toys and was always going to break a few of it's toys? It doesn't exactly respect human life, after all.
Which brings us round to why god doesn't stop satan. Because he doesn't want to. Because satan does gods will. Or, maybe, god can watch our replay, but he can't watch his own. He cant stop satan because he has no choice in the matter. No free will. Maybe god is water flowing downhill as well? Perhaps the terrible state of the world and terrible state of human beings, as you see it, was the inevitable product of having been created by a force which contained all this evil but had no will or ability to change it? Any world it created would look like our world and there was never anything that this god could do about it. Gods god watches the replay in disgust, knowing the end, and is determined to burn this god forever. And over again, so on and so forth, with that gods god's god, ad infinitum.
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