Why God doesn't stop satan?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The Abrahamic god - by definition - created everything. Choices are things. The consequences of choices are things. If God created everything, then our choices and the consequences thereof are created by God, and freewill isn't possible.

This is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow from the premise that free will is not possible. It's true that all our actions and their consequences are God's creation, but this doesn't mean they contradict the free will he endowed us with. God creates a sequence of actions which are exactly those an individual will undertake with his own free will. There is nothing logically contradictory about this operation, and it's trivial for an all-powerful being to do it.

Oh, rubbish. You can’t have it both ways. If actions and consequences are God’s creation, then God has always known that some people are going to Hell, no matter what they do - they are unable to make choices that will prevent their going to Hell, because all of these so-called ‘choices’ have already been made FOR them.

And - to return to the topic - this is the very quintessence of evil: to knowingly create people for the express purpose of seeing them eternally damned.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

This is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow from the premise that free will is not possible. It's true that all our actions and their consequences are God's creation, but this doesn't mean they contradict the free will he endowed us with. God creates a sequence of actions which are exactly those an individual will undertake with his own free will. There is nothing logically contradictory about this operation, and it's trivial for an all-powerful being to do it.

Oh, rubbish. You can’t have it both ways. If actions and consequences are God’s creation, then God has always known that some people are going to Hell, no matter what they do - they are unable to make choices that will prevent their going to Hell, because all of these so-called ‘choices’ have already been made FOR them.

And - to return to the topic - this is the very quintessence of evil: to knowingly create people for the express purpose of seeing them eternally damned.

Boru

Theistic mental gymnastics at their finest 

[R00tKiT]

, then God has always known that some people are going to Hell, no matter what they do - they are unable to make choices that will prevent their going to Hell, because all of these so-called ‘choices’ have already been made FOR them.

This is where you're getting it wrong. Yes, God always knew that some people are going to Hell because of what they did with their own free will. And while these choices were already created, they are precisely the same choices they would've made with their own free will.

In short, the choices we make with our own free will = the choices god made for us in advance. And no, people who are condemned to hell were able to make choices that will prevent hell, but chose, freely, not to.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

, then God has always known that some people are going to Hell, no matter what they do - they are unable to make choices that will prevent their going to Hell, because all of these so-called ‘choices’ have already been made FOR them.

This is where you're getting it wrong. Yes, God always knew that some people are going to Hell because of what they did with their own free will. And while these choices were already created, they are precisely the same choices they would've made with their own free will.

In short, the choices we make with our own free will = the choices god made for us in advance. And no, people who are condemned to hell were able to make choices that will prevent hell, but chose, freely, not to.

Nope. Your sophistry aside,  the simple fact that God knows what choices we make negates freewill.

But I will admit to being impressed by the apparent ease with which you’re able to hold two mutually exclusive positions without your head exploding.

Boru

[R00tKiT]

Foreknoweldge doesn't contradict free will. You actually didn't even try to prove that beyond simple assertion. It's not my problem that this is too hard for you to understand - which further proves that theology is not for everyone.

It's not hard for you though to watch a replay of a football match, I guess ? in which case you would know beforehand the results and in what minute the goals were scored, clearly you didn't force any player to do anything, nor did the entity with complete information and access to future events.

[Ravenshire]

It is said in the bible that satan "roams the earth and seeks who to devour". Meaning, they end up in hell. Why God doesn't stop this madness? What is he waiting for?

(my bold)

According to most thumpers, the bastard is waiting for the end of days.

[Silver]

Ironically, the end of days will be brought about by ourselves while lunatic theists give god all the credit.

[Fake Messiah]

Foreknoweldge doesn't contradict free will. You actually didn't even try to prove that beyond simple assertion. It's not my problem that this is too hard for you to understand - which further proves that theology is not for everyone.

Like you, theology is not for you because, according to this theologian, you chose Satan instead of God.

[no one]

yahweh has not gathered the last rune stone to summon the Ira, the Gefilte fish of vengeance. Once summoned Ira must be offered up sacrifice.
Poor, poor, dejected Samael, shunned by daddy for speaking his mind. Now just an À La Carte for grumpy old Ira. For the next 40 days and 40 nights, Ira demands a different flavored Knish, if this demand is not met, Ira will unleash a flood upon heaven. Ira will then travel to the fertile fields of Makeitupasewegoa, where he will deposit the remains of the wicked one who will only go immeasurably stronger in these magical fields of super magic.

[The Grand Nudger]

Foreknoweldge doesn't contradict free will. You actually didn't even try to prove that beyond simple assertion. It's not my problem that this is too hard for you to understand - which further proves that theology is not for everyone.

It's not hard for you though to watch a replay of a football match, I guess ? in which case you would know beforehand the results and in what minute the goals were scored, clearly you didn't force any player to do anything, nor did the entity with complete information and access to future events.

Foreknowledge is a textbook failure condition for free will.  If the future can be known, by anything, even if no one and no thing possesses that knowledge, then there can be no free will.

Your example of a replay of a football match is perfect.  Nothing to do with you making them do anything, and everything to do with their inability to do anything else. Do any of the objects in that replay have a choice to do something else?  OFC not.  If foreknowledge is even possible, then we're something like water believing we chose to flow downhill, convinced that our lack of knowledge of the future amounted to a free will we do not possess. God, you see, can just skip to the end and watch the replay. It's all, already, done. From the first moment to the last moment. Now, I don't see why this would be an issue for your god. So what if it breaks a few of it's toys and was always going to break a few of it's toys? It doesn't exactly respect human life, after all.

Which brings us round to why god doesn't stop satan. Because he doesn't want to. Because satan does gods will. Or, maybe, god can watch our replay, but he can't watch his own. He cant stop satan because he has no choice in the matter. No free will. Maybe god is water flowing downhill as well? Perhaps the terrible state of the world and terrible state of human beings, as you see it, was the inevitable product of having been created by a force which contained all this evil but had no will or ability to change it? Any world it created would look like our world and there was never anything that this god could do about it. Gods god watches the replay in disgust, knowing the end, and is determined to burn this god forever. And over again, so on and so forth, with that gods god's god, ad infinitum.