(August 6, 2021 at 12:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(August 6, 2021 at 10:30 am)WinterHold Wrote: What prevents me from agreeing that plasma is actually "matter" is that it is not a long lasting state of matter, look here:
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews...matter.cfm
Essentially that's what I meant by "transitional" state: Plasma is a temporary state that superheated matter goes through: that's not "matter" -even if science said so today- but rather a "transitional state into something we didn't yet discover".
The question I would ask myself is this: what happens to matter after turning to plasma? what's the next state?
Simply because plasma doesn’t last long in a terrestrial environment doesn’t preclude it from being matter.
In a very real sense, ALL matter is in a transitional state. But what do you mean by ‘long lasting’? As we’ve agreed, the sun is a big, burning ball of plasma, and it has existed for more than four and a half billion years. It is expected to continue in this state for another five billion years. That’s more than half the current age of the universe. So, none of your silly arsed assertions that plasma isn’t matter seem to hold up.
Every physicist in the world agrees that plasma is matter, but - to you - it isn’t, ‘...even if science said so...’.
Stupid.
Boru
The sun only exists because it has a huge, almost uncountable reserve of fuel that is keeping "the plasma state" intact. Soon enough it will cease to be a ball of plasma when its fuel runs out -just like all stars-.
It is a transitional state. Time is irrelevant when the universe is what we're discussing. Billions of years are but a fraction to God after all.